I am sorry, I do not understand why we have to host the list at UNH when
yahoogroups seems to work fine and it is easier for people to find.

Thank you,

George Themelis

----- Original Message -----
From: <drdave@rmm3d.com>
To: "Medium Format 3D Photography" <MF.3D@lists.unh.edu>
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 8:47 AM
Subject: [MF.3D:6850] **Important** info about new list


> First let me apologize for the lateness of this post. Several
> unavoidable circumstances led to the delay.
>
> Some history: the MF3D list set up by Paul Talbot and Bill Costa
> through the University of New Hampshire served us very well for
> quite some time. However it increasingly became the target of an
> inordinate amount of spam. That was most likely caused by two
> things: one was the address of the list being placed on websites,
> where it was harvested; and subscribers who keep the list address
> in an address book being infected by a virus.
>
> You might not think this to be such a problem, but the MF3D list
> is one of the smaller lists being hosted by UNH, but it generated
> more spam and problems than most of the larger lists.
>
> So while we've all been frustrated by problems with the UNH, it
> is important to realize that our list was a major cause of the
> problems that *all* lists hosted by UNH were experiencing.
>
> In order to prevent the same and other problems in the future, we
> must INSIST upon some rules:
>
> 1) Do not put the Email address of the new list on any web
> page.
>
> 2) Do not give out the archives address outside the list
> itself.
>
> If these things can be adhered to we should have a viable new
> mailing list that will continue to serve the Medium Format stereo
> community well.
>
> I have agreed to take on the responsibilities of co-moderating
> this new list, but all credit and gratitude should go to Bill
> Costa and UNH.
>
> If you have any admin questions or comments please send them to
> me or Paul off-list. However, we will both be without Internet
> access for about a week.
>
> When you have read and understand the above, please feel free to
> post to the new list at mf.3d@lists.unh.edu
>
> Thank you,
>
> David W. Kesner
>
> PS from Bill Costa
>
> The good news is that I am actively working on replacing the
> current hardware and software with a throughly modern system
> for both. This has been promised for a couple of years now,
> but it looks like I'm actually going to be allowed to do it
> this time! When the new system is up and ready, MF.3D will
> be one of the first lists migrated to the new system. This
> is still at least a few months away, however, so your
> patience is appreciated. More news on this as it becomes
> available.
>

> 1) Do not put the Email address of the new list on any web
> page.
>
> 2) Do not give out the archives address outside the list
> itself.

A secret discussion list.

That would be great for the promotion of Medium format stereo photography.
:)

George Themelis

Hi!

On Thu, 10 Aug 2006, DrT (George Themelis) wrote:

> > 1) Do not put the Email address of the new list on any web
> > page.
> >
> > 2) Do not give out the archives address outside the list
> > itself.
>
> A secret discussion list.

Yes. In my opinion, the first rule is fine, but the second rule is too
restrictive. The real problem seems to be that the e-mail address of the
list is getting into the hands of spammers.


How about this solution?: If we kept the list's e-mail address out of the
archives in addition to not posting it elsewhere, there would be no need
to follow the second rule. The archive address could be published without
concern for spamming and the list wouldn't be a "secret" list.

This action would have to be accompanied by the use of a different e-mail
address to which potential subscribers must request membership. That
address, not the list's e-mail address, would be published in the archive
and would therefore be open to spamming, but the unpublished list address
would be protected from spamming. Only the administrator of this
alternate e-mail address would supply new members with the address of the
list itself. As long as everyone follows rule #1, and we keep the list's
address out of the archive, the list wouldn't be as vulnerable to spamming
as it has been.

Mike