Has anyone here not seen these mounts?

Does anyone here need a sample?

If so, drop me a note OFF LIST with your
mailing address and I'll send you one.
Then you can help me figure out how best
to use use them!
________________________________________
John Thurston
Juneau, Alaska
http://stereo.thurstons.us

John Thurston writes:

> Then you can help me figure out how best to use use them!

It sounds like you are mounting in your cardboard mounts just fine and
very quickly. It also sounds like the way I mount. So why not just use
the same procedure with these new plastic mounts (as I do).

As for Sam's cautious notes about tape problems (bleeding, deterioration,
etc.) I have found that the silver tape I use has not shown any of these
problems. It is, after all, manufactured as a masking tape for
photographic film.

My biggest problem is going to be deciding when to use these mounts and
when to use the cardboard mounts. Here are the problems I see with the 3D
World mounts:

1) Only one size - no landscape or portrait format. Sam, any word and
whether or when these might be produced? Speaking about this - what are
people's opinion on various sized aluminum masks that could be dropped in
these mounts? This could be an easy and cost effective way to go.

2) Won't fit in many viewers. This is a real problem with those
participating in folios.

3) Price. Not really as big a problem as the difference in 35mm
cardboard/RBT mounts as I take a magnitude less MF images as compared to
35mm images. If I was taking thousands of MF images a year it would be a
costly difference.

Thanks,

David W. Kesner

David W. Kesner wrote:

> John Thurston writes:
>
>> Then you can help me figure out how best to use
>> use them!
>
> It sounds like you are mounting in your
> cardboard mounts just fine and very quickly.
> It also sounds like the way I mount. So why
> not just use the same procedure with these
> new plastic mounts (as I do).

This is what I'm trying to do, Dave.
The problem are two:

1) The ridges are getting in the way of the
transparent acrylic "cover" I use to hold
the film in place while I position and tape.

2) Even a single layer of this plastic is
totally opaque. I absolutely cannot see
the edges of the image until they come into
the aperture. As I try to position the image
to the window, I don't discover until its
too late that I have mounted my first chip
too far to one side to permit the second
chip to be positioned correctly.

> what are people's opinion on various sized
> aluminum masks that could be dropped in
> these mounts?

I think this sounds like a great idea :)
Trouble is, I don't have any idea how to go
about having them made :(

> ... Won't fit in many viewers. This is a
> real problem with those participating in
> folios.

agreed.
________________________________________
John Thurston
Juneau, Alaska
http://stereo.thurstons.us

John Thurston writes:

> 1) The ridges are getting in the way of the
> transparent acrylic "cover" I use to hold
> the film in place while I position and tape.

Well, your mounting on the wrong side *{;-)

I view these mounts with the white label strip toward the viewer. That
means I mount my chips on the side without the ridges. Those pesky ridges
won't get in the way of your "cover" or prevent you from adjusting the
vertical more then their range.

Remember that the aperture is the same size on both sides of these
mounts. This is unlike the cardboard mounts that have a smaller front
aperture.

Does this make sense?

So how many people are mounting with the label side forward and how many
with it on the backside?

Thanks,

David W. Kesner

David W. Kesner wrote:

> Well, your mounting on the wrong side *{;-)

By george, I think he's got it!

Ive gotten so used to mounting "face down,
9-edge first" with the cardboard mounts that
I forgot I could mount on the "back" half :)

I'm going to go give it a try and see what happens.
________________________________________
John Thurston
Juneau, Alaska
http://stereo.thurstons.us

David W. Kesner wrote:

> Well, your mounting on the wrong side *{;-)

Dave, you are brilliant :)

Mounting face up on the pinless, edgeless
surface makes a _huge_ difference for me.

I'm going to go do a couple more and see
if they go just as well.
________________________________________
John Thurston
Juneau, Alaska
http://stereo.thurstons.us

--- In MF3D-group@yahoogroups.com, "David W. Kesner" wrote:

>

> As for Sam's cautious notes about tape problems (bleeding,

deterioration,

> etc.) I have found that the silver tape I use has not shown any of

these

> problems. It is, after all, manufactured as a masking tape for
> photographic film.

I was referring to two-sided tape. I used to use the silver tape for
positioning the chips for the top, but two sided tape to seal the
mount. Some seal with the silver tape, which not only looks ugly on
black mounts, but many in the folio overhang the tape, making the
overall mount wider and difficult to fit on some viewers.

> World mounts:
>
> 1) Only one size - no landscape or portrait format. Sam, any word o

whether or when these might be produced? Speaking about this - what
are people's opinion on various sized aluminum masks that could be
dropped in these mounts? This could be an easy and cost effective way
to go.

3DWorld is in the process of moving right now, so I do not expect any
furthur developments over the next little while. It has been suggested
though.

>
> 2) Won't fit in many viewers. This is a real problem with those
> participating in folios.

In reality, there are more 3DWorld Viewers out there than any other
type. Being that most prior ones are homemade wooden boxes, it would
take little to modify them. A table saw and brass strip is really all
that's required. I've seen the new viewers for $35 lately, so why not
just buy one? Then there's no issue!

Also, who is still building MF3D viewers for cardboard mounts? I
thought Alan Lewis stopped production, and his webpage appears to have
disappeared. If so, new users would have no choice anyway. I have not
sold any Regal viewers for cardboard mounts since the summer, as most
inquiries have been for 140mm models.

>
> 3) Price. Not really as big a problem as the difference in 35mm
> cardboard/RBT mounts as I take a magnitude less MF images as

compared to

> 35mm images. If I was taking thousands of MF images a year it would

be a

> costly difference.

Buy them directly from China. You would be absolutely amazed how cheap
1000 are. Do a group purchase.


Sam

Sam Smith wrote:

> In reality, there are more 3DWorld Viewers
> out there than any other type. . . .I've seen
> the new viewers for $35 lately, so why not
> just buy one? ...

More than one person has mentioned some reasons not to:
A) No focus design
B) Lack of eye-relief for eyeglass wearers
C) Lack of internal illumination

That said, I like the MFPV and use them frequently.
________________________________________
John Thurston
Juneau, Alaska
http://stereo.thurstons.us

Sam Smith wrote:

> I was referring to two-sided tape. I used
> to use the silver tape for positioning the
> chips for the top, but two sided tape to
> seal the mount. Some seal with the silver tape

I tried this and gave up on it as I could
ever get the tape parallel with the edges
of the mount. I've finally quit trying to
seal my cardboard mounts. I slip each inside
an archive sleeve and call it good.
________________________________________
John Thurston
Juneau, Alaska
http://stereo.thurstons.us

On Sun, 3 Dec 2006, John Thurston wrote:

> Sam Smith wrote:
> > I was referring to two-sided tape. I used
> > to use the silver tape for positioning the
> > chips for the top, but two sided tape to
> > seal the mount. Some seal with the silver tape
>
> I tried this and gave up on it as I could
> ever get the tape parallel with the edges
> of the mount. I've finally quit trying to
> seal my cardboard mounts. I slip each inside
> an archive sleeve and call it good.
> ________________________________________
> John Thurston
> Juneau, Alaska
> http://stereo.thurstons.us
>

Maybe this is BAD for achival reasons, but I use a little
white glue to seal my cardboard mounts. I just put a
little line of glue near the edges and down the middle
and then let them dry stacked under a flat, heavy weight.
The result, IMO, is a nice, flat, stiff, clean slide.
--
Bob Clark