Hi David,
thank you very much for your little essay on the 3D World Stereo
camera. Over here in Germany information about this camera is very
hard to find, and even the German distributer in Berlin seems
strangely reluctant to send out anything more than his rather stupid
catalogue text. Apart from that the camera is much more expensive
here, but seems to have a 2 year warrenty. I need to speak to these
people on the phone.
Could you please tell me wether it es possible to attach filters to
the lenses, are lens hoods included, what is the size of the lenses?
AND: There seem to be so many people alreay equipped with this camera,
that I wondered, where I could see the results. I am rather unhappy
with my sputnik and a parallel view guy, so could you please send me
links to any of your galleries.
Thanks a lot,
Yours sincerely,
Andreas

--- In MF3D-group@yahoogroups.com, David Lee wrote:
>
> For those of you who are in the process of deciding whether to
purchase the new 3D World Medium Format Stereo Camera, I will give my
quick impressions of the camera after mounting some images from my
first roll of film. I'll start with the main conclusion; this is an
incredible camera, well worth the money (if you have it).
> 1. The lenses are very sharp. My images shot at f22 were totally in
focus from edge to edge. They are certainly comparable to Mamiya or
Yashica medium format lenses I have used. Sputnik lenses are not even
in the same ballpark.
> 2. The shutters appear to be perfectly synchronized. After all the
problems I have experienced trying to synchronize the shutters on
twin-cameras and homemade cameras it was wonderful to go through the
shutter speeds and see that they all seem to work perfectly.
> 3. The apertures seem to be well-matched. Those of you who have
tried to match twin-cameras will know the frustration of seeing that
the apertures on "identical" cameras may be off by as much as 1/2
stop, and that the size of the aperture will vary depending on whether
you are opening or closing the aperture. (This may be true of the 3d
World as well, but the apertures are linked well-enough that at least
they are always the same.)
> 4. The focal lengths are well-matched. (I haven't measured the
percentage of difference, but in the mounted slide they appear to be
exactly the same size.) Conversely I have been extemely frustrated by
the variation in focal length in the cameras I have tried to match.
> 5. I didn't have the problem that others mention with the film wind
mechanism. It worked perfectly.
> 6. The viewfinder works well. Easy to see the image, nice to have
the eyepiece focusing mechanism also.
>
> We medium format shooters are extremely fortunate to be able to
purchase this camera. The company can't be making any money on it, so
go out and buy one before they stop making them.
>
> David Lee
>

Andreas,

There are some images from this camera in Germany now. They are in the
International Medium Format Stereo Folio. It is with Werner Weiser. If
you know him, perhaps you could arrange to see it. I expect it to be
there another week or so.

The camera takes 46mm filters.

Sam Smith

--- In MF3D-group@yahoogroups.com, "autre_valse" wrote:

> that I wondered, where I could see the results. I am rather unhappy
> with my sputnik and a parallel view guy, so could you please send me
> links to any of your galleries.
> Thanks a lot,
> Yours sincerely,
> Andreas
>

Hi Andreas! I ordered my camera directly from China and they offered a perfect service! My TL120 arrived just a week ago and IŽm also living in Berlin! I didn`t know that there is a distributer in Berlin. Could you tell me the adress? If there are any questions, maybe I could help you on the phone - `cause we should be almost neighbours :-))
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autre_valse wrote:

> Over here in Germany information about this camera
> is very hard to find

My pages are accessible world-wide :)
http://stereo.thurstons.us/tl120_features.htm
I do not sell them, I just own one.

If there are questions not answered there, I'll try to
update the pages to answer them. (It looks like filter
size is one of those questions!)

> Could you please tell me wether it es possible to attach
> filters to the lenses, are lens hoods included, what is
> the size of the lenses?

The lenses accept 46mm thread-on filters and hoods.
To the best of my knowledge the camera does not ship with hoods.

> AND: There seem to be so many people alreay equipped with
> this camera, that I wondered, where I could see the results.

I posted an image from my first roll at
http://www.alaska.net/~thurston/images/Rbts06.jpg
with a close-in crop at
http://www.alaska.net/~thurston/images/Rbts06_close.jpg

This is straight out of the camera and on to the scanner.
This is _not_ a mounted image. If you can't find a camera
owner closer who can share some real images, contact me
_off list_ and I'll try to send you a couple of slides to view.

John Thurston
Juneau, Alaska

Hi Chris,
As I do not live in Berlin myself I doubt it we are neighbours. Well,
galactically speaking, maybe we are.
The German distributor's name is Monochrom: www.monochrom.de. The
camera sells at € 1598 (approx $2080 - aaarrghhh.)
But, as I said, they offer a 2 year warrenty.
How much did you pay for the camera, incl. postage & package? And
what's the service/warrenty deal,
Yours stereotypically,
Andreas / Gelsenkirchen


--- In MF3D-group@yahoogroups.com, Christoph Jachner
wrote:

>
> Hi Andreas! I ordered my camera directly from China and they offered

a perfect service! My TL120 arrived just a week ago and I´m also
living in Berlin! I didn`t know that there is a distributer in Berlin.
Could you tell me the adress? If there are any questions, maybe I
could help you on the phone - `cause we should be almost neighbours :-))

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Hi John,
thanks for your reply and the link to the photo. Great landscape,
great photo. It's good to know that filters can be attached!
Andreas

--- In MF3D-group@yahoogroups.com, John Thurston wrote:
>
> autre_valse wrote:
>
> > Over here in Germany information about this camera
> > is very hard to find
>
> My pages are accessible world-wide :)
> http://stereo.thurstons.us/tl120_features.htm
> I do not sell them, I just own one.
>
> If there are questions not answered there, I'll try to
> update the pages to answer them. (It looks like filter
> size is one of those questions!)
>
> > Could you please tell me wether it es possible to attach
> > filters to the lenses, are lens hoods included, what is
> > the size of the lenses?
>
> The lenses accept 46mm thread-on filters and hoods.
> To the best of my knowledge the camera does not ship with hoods.
>
> > AND: There seem to be so many people alreay equipped with
> > this camera, that I wondered, where I could see the results.
>
> I posted an image from my first roll at
> http://www.alaska.net/~thurston/images/Rbts06.jpg
> with a close-in crop at
> http://www.alaska.net/~thurston/images/Rbts06_close.jpg
>
> This is straight out of the camera and on to the scanner.
> This is _not_ a mounted image. If you can't find a camera
> owner closer who can share some real images, contact me
> _off list_ and I'll try to send you a couple of slides to view.
>
> John Thurston
> Juneau, Alaska
>

> The German distributor's name is Monochrom: www.monochrom.de. The
> camera sells at ? 1598 (approx $2080 - aaarrghhh.)
> But, as I said, they offer a 2 year warrenty.

I don't understand how they can give a 2 year warranty, when the factory
gives a 1 year warranty.

I sell this camera myself for a lot less than this outfit and I have many
customers worldwide, including Japan, France, Germany, etc. I am placing a
large order this week and there is room for anyone who wants to join. I
accept credit card payments via paypal. Contact me directly if you are
interested.

George Themelis
www.drt3d.com

Hi George,
thanks for the offer. Not this time - maybe some other time.
Andreas


--- In MF3D-group@yahoogroups.com, "DrT \(George Themelis\)"
wrote:

>
> > The German distributor's name is Monochrom: www.monochrom.de. The
> > camera sells at ? 1598 (approx $2080 - aaarrghhh.)
> > But, as I said, they offer a 2 year warrenty.
>
> I don't understand how they can give a 2 year warranty, when the

factory

> gives a 1 year warranty.
>
> I sell this camera myself for a lot less than this outfit and I have

many

> customers worldwide, including Japan, France, Germany, etc. I am

placing a

> large order this week and there is room for anyone who wants to

join. I

> accept credit card payments via paypal. Contact me directly if you are
> interested.
>
> George Themelis
> www.drt3d.com
>

--- In MF3D-group@yahoogroups.com, "autre_valse"
wrote:

>
> Hi John,
> thanks for your reply and the link to the photo. Great landscape,
> great photo. It's good to know that filters can be attached!

You need to be careful about filters and lens shades as some may
protrude into the image area. Take a look at a page on my site here:

http://www.dddphotography.com/TL120/

I have since gotten rid of those lens shades and gotten another pair,
but have not tried them yet. However I also did some extreme shotting
into the sun snow shots without and shades and did not have any
problems with flares. I will post those images on the same page as
soon as I find time to scan them.

Hope that helps,

David W. Kesner

Hí Andreas! As I just wrote to Doc T. The total price was 1374 USD (shipping already included). That means 1081 Euro for the camera stuff and shipping. I also have thhe warranty! So, I would recommend to buy the camera directly in China. I can send you the contact e-mail, if you like to! Regards, Chris
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DrT (George Themelis) wrote:

> I don't understand how they can give a 2 year warranty,
> when the factory gives a 1 year warranty.

Anyone can warranty any item they like by assuming the
repair risks themselves.

In this case, the distributer may be assuming the repair
risks directly. They may have bought insurance (transfered
the risk). They may have a two year arrangement with the
factory. The only way to know for sure is to ask them.

John Thurston
Juneau, Alaska

John,

At 11:34 AM 3/5/2007, you wrote:

I posted an image from my first roll at
http://www.alaska.net/~thurston/images/Rbts06.jpg

I've told you this once privately, but I'll say it again, publicly:  I LOVE that shot!  It's remarkable on several counts.  And to think it was just an early "test shot" taken with your TL-120... 

:-)

Mike Davis

> Hí Andreas! As I just wrote to Doc T. The total price was 1374 USD
> (shipping already included).

I am glad to see that my asking price is actually LESS than what it costs
to buy this camera directly from China!

George Themelis

Hi,

Just out of curiosity...anyone out there using this
camera to make prints rather than slides?

I've not been working in the stereo medium...mostly
just collecting vintage images.

Good camera for both prints and slides?

Dave

--- "DrT (George Themelis)" <drt-3d@att.net> wrote:

> > Hí Andreas! As I just wrote to Doc T. The total
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> > (shipping already included).
>
> I am glad to see that my asking price is actually
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> to buy this camera directly from China!
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I would say no. It's not that it wouldn't reveal satisfactory results,
but rather it would be an extremely expensive way of achieving them.
All your prints would have to be custom printed. Also, due to the
lossy nature of small prints, there would be nothing to gain.

Realist format or even digital would be more practical, unless you
plan to merely scan your MF3D slides and make prints as an afterthought.

Sam

--- In MF3D-group@yahoogroups.com, Dave Klein wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Just out of curiosity...anyone out there using this
> camera to make prints rather than slides?
>
> I've not been working in the stereo medium...mostly
> just collecting vintage images.
>
> Good camera for both prints and slides?
>
> Dave
>
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Thanks for the observation Sam

The only thing stereo I have done is a little bit of
the Cha-Cha method of shifting and shooting with a
single lens camera. Results were obviously mixed. A
few portraits came out real nice but it all depended
upon the subjects abilitiy to remain completely
motionless. The slightest movement often proved too
objectionblle. And, of course, that ruled out action
shots.

I have seen the results of stereo slides and believe
that there is nothing that can compare with their
"wow" factor, especially in MF. And that is what
makes this camera so intriguing to me. I can see
certain occasions where I would prefer prints, but, as
you said, I could scan the slides and make my own
prints. I really wasn't sure about the availibility
and expense of MF prints since all of my camera work
has been via 35mm.

Many thanks for your comments,

Dave

--- Sam Smith <groups@stereoscopia.com> wrote:

> I would say no. It's not that it wouldn't reveal
> satisfactory results,
> but rather it would be an extremely expensive way of
> achieving them.
> All your prints would have to be custom printed.
> Also, due to the
> lossy nature of small prints, there would be nothing
> to gain.
>
> Realist format or even digital would be more
> practical, unless you
> plan to merely scan your MF3D slides and make prints
> as an afterthought.
>
> Sam
>
> --- In MF3D-group@yahoogroups.com, Dave Klein
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Just out of curiosity...anyone out there using
> this
> > camera to make prints rather than slides?
> >
> > I've not been working in the stereo
> medium...mostly
> > just collecting vintage images.
> >
> > Good camera for both prints and slides?
> >
> > Dave
>

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--- In MF3D-group@yahoogroups.com, Dave Klein wrote:

>
> Good camera for both prints and slides?

You can, of course, make excellent prints from MF. The most effective
route is to use negative (color) film, and either wet-print them or
make good quality scans using a dedicated linear (not flatbed) film
scanner or drum scanner. I mean, if you are going to the trouble of
using MF to do prints you might as well do it up right :-). Slides
can be more difficult to print (though it can be done, there are more
issues with colors and contrast). Since you probably don't want to
lose the ability to hand-view slides, perhaps the MF transparency
route would be fine for the occasional print. For DIY printing, the
easiest path is a digital twin and a good inkjet photo-printer. But
then you need a large-print viewer, since you have to go to at least
8.5x11 pairs to get close to the direct MF slide experience. We make
one, but it's not a pocket viewer :-)

John Hart
www.mirscope.com