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Subject: 220 Film Stereo?
Date: 2008-09-18 18:32:19
From: Steven Lederman

Does anyone on this list use 220 film in their Sputnik or their 3D World camera? If so, how do you keep track of the exposures?

Subject: Re: 220 Film Stereo?
Date: 2008-09-18 23:40:32
From: John Thurston

Steven Lederman wrote:

> Does anyone on this list use 220 film in their Sputnik or their 3D World camera? If so, how do you keep track of the exposures?
>

There has been some discussion here of film advance by counting
knob turning. I suggest you check the archives of december 07 (I
seem to recall the subject surfaced about then) or from the "old
list" archives where it was discussed a couple of times.

Now I have to do what I frequently get upset with others for
doing; question your motivation. A quick check at B&H reveals 10
products in the 220 size and 28 in the 120 size. They only offer
Kodak 100VS, Fuji Astia, Provia 100F, Velvia 100 and Velvia 50.
That's a total of five emulsions. I consider 220 to be pretty
dead-end format and suspect it will die about the same time as
35mm does.
_________________________
John Thurston
Juneau, Alaska

Subject: Re: 220 Film Stereo?
Date: 2008-09-19 19:04:20
From: Steven Lederman

Hi, John;
My motivation is simple for the most part - sometimes folks are giving away free 120 and 220 film (expired, usually) on Craigslist! Just wanted to know if I could put the 220 to some stereo use.
I guess a lesser motivation would be to not have to reload the camera as often. ; )
-Steven

"Now I have to do what I frequently get upset with others for
doing; question your motivation. A quick check at B&H reveals 10
products in the 220 size and 28 in the 120 size. I consider 220 to be pretty
dead-end format and suspect it will die about the same time as
35mm does.
____________ _________ ____
John Thurston
Juneau, Alaska"

Subject: Re: 220 Film Stereo?
Date: 2008-09-19 21:35:28
From: JR

> I consider 220 to be pretty

dead-end format and suspect it will die about the same time as
35mm does.
____________ _________ ____
John Thurston
Juneau, Alaska

I agree that of the three formats mentioned, 220, 120, and 35mm, 220 will be the first to cease to exist. However, I also think that 120 will be the second to go, and 35mm will be the last, by a wide margin. This would be the case even if still photographers were the only ones using film, as there are far more 35mm film cameras still in use than medium format.

However, 35mm has a MUCH stronger base because in addition to still photographers, it is the format of choice for the theatrical motion picture industry. And, in spite of all of the hype, that industry has been, and continues to be, very slow to adopt digital. While there are only a couple of thousand digital-equipped theaters worldwide, there are over 38,000 screens being illuminated by 35mm projectors in North America alone. As long as they are exhibiting 35mm release prints, 35mm film will continue to be manufactured.

So, if you like medium format, watch the film supplies INCLUDING 120 very closely.

.

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Subject: Re: 220 Film Stereo?
Date: 2008-09-21 08:44:23
From: depthcam

--- In MF3D-group@yahoogroups.com, JR wrote:

> So, if you like medium format, watch the film supplies INCLUDING 120

very

> closely.
>
> JR
>

I doubt that MF film is going to disappear any time soon. Not only is
there a ressurgence of MF stereo but there is a much greater renewed
interest in MF panoramic and several new camera models are being
produced. I suspect 120 film will always be available even if we have
to order it from China !

Francois

Subject: Will there always be 120?
Date: 2008-09-21 13:45:42
From: jamesbharp

> I doubt that MF film is going to disappear any time soon. Not only is
> there a ressurgence of MF stereo but there is a much greater renewed
> interest in MF panoramic and several new camera models are being
> produced.

Unfortunately what we see as a resurgence of MF stereo and MF panoramic probably barely
registers on the radar of a company such as Fuji. My hope is that all the people buying old
MF cameras on ebay, combined with us oddballs and the occasional pro still using film
cameras will create enough of a market to justify the continued production of a few
emulsions (Provia 100F, 400X) for the foreseeable future. There aren't any R&D costs
involved and we're all glad to order by mail from a few outlets.

With film-based 3D photography it's a good idea to get a lifetime supply of whatever you like
to use when possible.

Jim Harp

Subject: Re: Will there always be 120?
Date: 2008-09-21 15:35:28
From: JR

On Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 12:45 PM, jamesbharp <jamesbharp@verizon.net> wrote:

> With film-based 3D photography it's a good idea to get a lifetime supply of whatever you like
to use when possible.

Film in general has a limited lifetime, and even then its use has a limitation based on the availability of processing. I recall throwing out a frozen brick of 120 Kodachrome, because there was no place that I could get it processed anymore.

JR

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stereoscope3d@gmail.com

Subject: Re: Will there always be 120?
Date: 2008-09-21 21:41:49
From: Brian Reynolds

Jim wrote:

>
> Unfortunately what we see as a resurgence of MF stereo and MF
> panoramic probably barely registers on the radar of a company such
> as Fuji. My hope is that all the people buying old MF cameras on
> ebay, combined with us oddballs and the occasional pro still using
> film cameras will create enough of a market to justify the continued
> production of a few emulsions (Provia 100F, 400X) for the
> foreseeable future. There aren't any R&D costs involved and we're
> all glad to order by mail from a few outlets.
>
> With film-based 3D photography it's a good idea to get a lifetime
> supply of whatever you like to use when possible.

Kodak is still doing R&D and releasing new films. For several years
Kodak has announced new films at Photo Plus Expo, and had long lines,
going all the way down the aisle, for free samples. This year's new
film is Ektar 100 color negative film. Currently it seems to be only
available in 135 (35mm). There are ten different color reversal
(slide) emulsions listed on Kodak's web page, and only one of them
(Kodachrome 64) is not available in 120.

Fujifilm is also making new products. This past February they showed
a 6x7 folder prototype at the Photo Marketing Association trade show
in Las Vegas. <http://www.flickr.com/photos/cdnphoto/2235002669/> I'm
hoping it will be shown again at Photokina this week.

By the way, someone is displaying anaglyphs at the Kodak booth at
Photokina.

<http://jennifercisney.pluggedin.kodak.com/default.asp?item=2264571>

--
Brian Reynolds | "It's just like flying a spaceship.
reynolds@panix.com | You push some buttons and see
http://www.panix.com/~reynolds/ | what happens." -- Zapp Brannigan
NAR# 54438 |

Subject: Re: Will there always be 120?
Date: 2008-09-22 01:51:55
From: Michael Davis

Hey Brian,

At 10:41 PM 9/21/2008, you wrote:

Fujifilm is also making new products. This past February they showed
a 6x7 folder prototype at the Photo Marketing Association trade show
in Las Vegas. < http://www.flickr.com/photos/cdnphoto/2235002669/> I'm
hoping it will be shown again at Photokina this week.

The prototype FujiFilm GF670 looks a lot like the 6x9 Voigtländer Bessa II of the 1950's:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f0/VoigtlBessaIIHeliar1.jpg

More on the Bessa II: http://www.certo6.com/cam/bessa.html

A clean Voigtländer Bessa II goes for about $600.00.

More on the GF670: http://www.camerapedia.org/wiki/Fuji_GF670

Here's a video (in Japanese) that moves around the display at Photokina:
http://www.capacamera.net/pma08/index.php?page=1&id=24

Mike Davis

Subject: Re: Will there always be 120?
Date: 2008-09-22 06:32:31
From: Brian Reynolds

Michael Davis wrote:

>
> More on the GF670: http://www.camerapedia.org/wiki/Fuji_GF670
>
> Here's a video (in Japanese) that moves around the display at Photokina:
> http://www.capacamera.net/pma08/index.php?page=1&id=24

That's PMA last February. Photokina doesn't open until tomorrow.

--
Brian Reynolds | "It's just like flying a spaceship.
reynolds@panix.com | You push some buttons and see
http://www.panix.com/~reynolds/ | what happens." -- Zapp Brannigan
NAR# 54438 |