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Subject: TL-120 versions
Date: 2011-05-01 09:45:35
From: Brian Reynolds
I noticed that David Kesner's recent posting of a TL-120 for sale
mentioned that it was a 3rd generation camera. Does anyone have a
complete listing of the various versions of the TL-120 and their
features and differences? Is the 3rd generation the most recent?

The for sale posting also mentioned that body cracks were common. I
recall other common problems (especially the shutter button lock not
working), but I don't recall hearing about cracks. How common is
this?

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Subject: Re: TL-120 versions
Date: 2011-05-01 10:03:39
From: David W. Kesner
Hello Brian,

> I noticed that David Kesner's recent posting of a TL-120 for sale
> mentioned that it was a 3rd generation camera. Does anyone have a
> complete listing of the various versions of the TL-120 and their
> features and differences? Is the 3rd generation the most recent?

I don't think 3DWorld ever designated any of the changes. I arbitarily
assigned the generation nomenclature.

John Thurston probably has the most info available:

http://stereo.thurstons.us/updates.htm

Also the included mounting jig had significant changes. Most notably from
fixed focus lenses to adjustable focus.

> The for sale posting also mentioned that body cracks were common. I
> recall other common problems (especially the shutter button lock not
> working), but I don't recall hearing about cracks. How common is
> this

Here is a post from back in 2007 from Scott Youmans:

> I've had my share of issues with the TL120 myself. I'm not sure if my
> earlier comments made it into circulation. Although I'm quite happy with
> the results I'm getting now that I have rubber lens shades installed,
> there still remains the issue of cracks in the plastic body frame that
> surrounds the film door. These cracks are very fine but extend from many
> of the screw holes. The factory says that they're just in the paint but
> I'm not so sure. In either case there shouldn't be cracks in a brand new
> $1,300 camera. I suggest looking closely at the body under a bright
> light. I doubt that mine is the only one in this condition.

You can see images of the cracks in mine here (last few images):

http://www.dddphotography.com/TL120/

Hope that helps,

David W. Kesner
Boise, Idaho, USA
www.dddphotography.com
Subject: Re: TL-120 versions
Date: 2011-05-01 11:35:04
From: Van Quire Studios
My TL 120 also has hairline cracks at some of the small screw holes. Does not affect anything at all...

Thanks,

Randy


On May 1, 2011, at 12:03 PM, "David W. Kesner" <lists@dddphotography.com> wrote:

 

Hello Brian,

> I noticed that David Kesner's recent posting of a TL-120 for sale
> mentioned that it was a 3rd generation camera. Does anyone have a
> complete listing of the various versions of the TL-120 and their
> features and differences? Is the 3rd generation the most recent?

I don't think 3DWorld ever designated any of the changes. I arbitarily
assigned the generation nomenclature.

John Thurston probably has the most info available:

http://stereo.thurstons.us/updates.htm

Also the included mounting jig had significant changes. Most notably from
fixed focus lenses to adjustable focus.

> The for sale posting also mentioned that body cracks were common. I
> recall other common problems (especially the shutter button lock not
> working), but I don't recall hearing about cracks. How common is
> this

Here is a post from back in 2007 from Scott Youmans:

> I've had my share of issues with the TL120 myself. I'm not sure if my
> earlier comments made it into circulation. Although I'm quite happy with
> the results I'm getting now that I have rubber lens shades installed,
> there still remains the issue of cracks in the plastic body frame that
> surrounds the film door. These cracks are very fine but extend from many
> of the screw holes. The factory says that they're just in the paint but
> I'm not so sure. In either case there shouldn't be cracks in a brand new
> $1,300 camera. I suggest looking closely at the body under a bright
> light. I doubt that mine is the only one in this condition.

You can see images of the cracks in mine here (last few images):

http://www.dddphotography.com/TL120/

Hope that helps,

David W. Kesner
Boise, Idaho, USA
www.dddphotography.com

Subject: Re: TL-120 versions
Date: 2011-05-02 05:58:44
From: sekharni
No cracks in mine, I've had it since early 2010

Nik

--- In MF3D-group@yahoogroups.com, Van Quire Studios wrote:
>
> My TL 120 also has hairline cracks at some of the small screw holes. Does not affect anything at all...
>
> Thanks,
>
> Randy
>
>
> On May 1, 2011, at 12:03 PM, "David W. Kesner" wrote:
>
> > Hello Brian,
> >
> > > I noticed that David Kesner's recent posting of a TL-120 for sale
> > > mentioned that it was a 3rd generation camera. Does anyone have a
> > > complete listing of the various versions of the TL-120 and their
> > > features and differences? Is the 3rd generation the most recent?
> >
> > I don't think 3DWorld ever designated any of the changes. I arbitarily
> > assigned the generation nomenclature.
> >
> > John Thurston probably has the most info available:
> >
> > http://stereo.thurstons.us/updates.htm
> >
> > Also the included mounting jig had significant changes. Most notably from
> > fixed focus lenses to adjustable focus.
> >
> > > The for sale posting also mentioned that body cracks were common. I
> > > recall other common problems (especially the shutter button lock not
> > > working), but I don't recall hearing about cracks. How common is
> > > this
> >
> > Here is a post from back in 2007 from Scott Youmans:
> >
> > > I've had my share of issues with the TL120 myself. I'm not sure if my
> > > earlier comments made it into circulation. Although I'm quite happy with
> > > the results I'm getting now that I have rubber lens shades installed,
> > > there still remains the issue of cracks in the plastic body frame that
> > > surrounds the film door. These cracks are very fine but extend from many
> > > of the screw holes. The factory says that they're just in the paint but
> > > I'm not so sure. In either case there shouldn't be cracks in a brand new
> > > $1,300 camera. I suggest looking closely at the body under a bright
> > > light. I doubt that mine is the only one in this condition.
> >
> > You can see images of the cracks in mine here (last few images):
> >
> > http://www.dddphotography.com/TL120/
> >
> > Hope that helps,
> >
> > David W. Kesner
> > Boise, Idaho, USA
> > www.dddphotography.com
> >
> >
>
Subject: Re: TL-120 versions
Date: 2011-05-02 20:38:15
From: John Thurston
Brian Reynolds wrote:
> I noticed that David Kesner's recent posting of a TL-120 for sale
> mentioned that it was a 3rd generation camera. Does anyone have a
> complete listing of the various versions of the TL-120 and their
> features and differences?

This is an arbitrary assignment. The TL120 has seen
continuous improvements over its life and different aspects
have been adjusted independently.

For example, I notice Dave's camera had a 90-degree prism,
with a diopter-adjustment. My first cameras had a 90-degree
with fixed eye pieces. My later camera has a 45-degree with
focusable eye pieces.

The shutter-lock on the film advance was added, and then it
was removed.

The early lens boards were held in with four screws, the
later have five screws.

The early cameras had flat, plastic bottoms. Sometime, small
aluminum plates were added around the film and tripod areas.

Some cameras have an indicated flash-sync speed of 1/60. Some
are indicated at 1/100. I had one with an indicated 1/30 sync.

I think anyone can assign any ol' generation number to their
camera and no one will be able to contest it.
________________________________________
John Thurston
Juneau, Alaska
http://stereo.thurstons.us
Subject: Re: TL-120 versions
Date: 2011-05-03 10:53:22
From: Brian Reynolds
John Thurston wrote:
> Brian Reynolds wrote:
> > I noticed that David Kesner's recent posting of a TL-120 for sale
> > mentioned that it was a 3rd generation camera. Does anyone have a
> > complete listing of the various versions of the TL-120 and their
> > features and differences?
>
> This is an arbitrary assignment. The TL120 has seen
> continuous improvements over its life and different aspects
> have been adjusted independently.

Do the cameras have unique serial numbers?

Would anyone else be interested in a serial number vs. camera feature
database?

--
Brian Reynolds | "It's just like flying a spaceship.
reynolds@panix.com | You push some buttons and see
http://www.panix.com/~reynolds/ | what happens." -- Zapp Brannigan
NAR# 54438 |
Subject: Re: TL-120 versions
Date: 2011-05-03 10:58:34
From: John Thurston
Brian Reynolds wrote:
> John Thurston wrote:
>> Brian Reynolds wrote:
>>> I noticed that David Kesner's recent posting of a TL-120 for sale
>>> mentioned that it was a 3rd generation camera. Does anyone have a
>>> complete listing of the various versions of the TL-120 and their
>>> features and differences?
>> This is an arbitrary assignment. The TL120 has seen
>> continuous improvements over its life and different aspects
>> have been adjusted independently.
>
> Do the cameras have unique serial numbers?
>
> Would anyone else be interested in a serial number vs. camera feature
> database?

As far as I know, most of the cameras have unique serial
numbers. I do not recall seeing one on my very first example
(which I sent back), but the two I have now are marked.

The information may be interesting, but I don't have the
time to compile it.
--
John Thurston
Juneau Alaska
http://stereo.thurstons.us