Subject: Provia & maybe Astia in stock
Date: 2011-10-06 14:28:48
From: bob_karambelas

I was just notified by B&H that Provia 120 is back in stock.

Also happened to check Adorama, and they showed Astia 120 in stock... it had been marked as out of stock in recent months. They took my order, we'll see if it ships. Maybe it's a last chance to stock up on Astia, as Fuji said they've already stopped production and plan to have shipments through March.

Somebody paid $70 for a 5-pack on eBay yesterday, so it figures.

Subject: Re: Provia & maybe Astia in stock
Date: 2011-10-06 15:00:48
From: John Rowe

I’m still looking for 5x7 Provia!... after I use it up, I’ll sell the camera

From: bob_karambelas

Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 4:28 PM

To: MF3D-group@yahoogroups.com

Subject: [MF3D-group] Provia & maybe Astia in stock

Subject: Re: Provia & maybe Astia in stock
Date: 2011-10-06 19:42:07
From: bob_karambelas

Looks to me as if B&H has 5x7 Provia in stock.

Adorama shipped my Astia 120 order.

--- In MF3D-group@yahoogroups.com, "John Rowe" wrote:

Subject: Re: Provia & maybe Astia in stock
Date: 2011-10-06 21:12:59
From: JR

FWIW, news travels fast, especially on the Internet. And some people panic when they think that something like their favorite film is no longer going to be available, and buy up way more than they need. So, if you have freezer space, it might not be a bad idea to get a reasonable supply of your favorite emulsion (but don't hoard it, just get what you anticipate would be a reasonable amount that you would use in a reasonable amount of time, say two or three months). Otherwise, you may have a long wait for the next batch to be released. It sounds like film releases are getting more sporadic, although it just may be a combination of things: Japanese earthquake cutting supplies from there, which results in more of a demand for non-Japanese films, which results in, well you get the idea.

JR

On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 6:41 PM, bob_karambelas <bob_karambelas@yahoo.com> wrote:

Looks to me as if B&H has 5x7 Provia in stock.

Adorama shipped my Astia 120 order.

--- In MF3D-group@yahoogroups.com, "John Rowe" wrote:

--
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Subject: Re: Provia & maybe Astia in stock
Date: 2011-10-07 06:36:24
From: bob_karambelas

Well, Astia is definitely out of production, so whatever comes now is probably the end of it. If another shipment comes in, it's likely from the same batch of film. B&H lists is as discontinued.

Anyway, there are a few people who like Astia, so I thought I'd pass it along.

--- In MF3D-group@yahoogroups.com, JR wrote:

Subject: Re: Provia & maybe Astia in stock
Date: 2011-10-07 12:20:29
From: Boris Starosta

thanks for the tip, Bob. I ordered some ASTIA just now!

On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 8:36 AM, bob_karambelas <bob_karambelas@yahoo.com> wrote:

Well, Astia is definitely out of production, so whatever comes now is probably the end of it. If another shipment comes in, it's likely from the same batch of film. B&H lists is as discontinued.

Anyway, there are a few people who like Astia, so I thought I'd pass it along.

--- In MF3D-group@yahoogroups.com, JR wrote:

--
A mathematician is a machine for turning coffee into theorems -- Alfréd Rényi

Subject: Re: Provia & maybe Astia in stock
Date: 2011-10-07 20:12:48
From: coronet3d

--- In MF3D-group@yahoogroups.com, Boris Starosta wrote:

> > Well, Astia is definitely out of production, so whatever comes now is
> > probably the end of it. If another shipment comes in, it's likely from the
> > same batch of film. B&H lists is as discontinued.
> >
> > Anyway, there are a few people who like Astia, so I thought I'd pass it
> > along.

I don't bother with Adorama or B&H for film anymore. I buy all of my stuff from freestylephoto.biz, who have kept Astia in stock continuously for the last year. I've read that the product is still being produced in Japan, but that occasionally supplies in the US run dry before another shipment comes in from Japan. As far as B&H goes, they're not carrying half the film they used to, but Freestyle has most of what I need.
Steve

Subject: Re: Provia & maybe Astia in stock
Date: 2011-10-07 22:21:01
From: John Thurston

On 10/7/2011 6:12 PM, coronet3d wrote:

> --- In MF3D-group@yahoogroups.com, Boris
> Starosta wrote:
>>> Well, Astia is definitely out of production, so
>>> whatever comes now is probably the end of it. If
>>> another shipment comes in, it's likely from the same
>>> batch of film. B&H lists is as discontinued.
>>>
>>> Anyway, there are a few people who like Astia, so I
>>> thought I'd pass it along.
> I don't bother with Adorama or B&H for film anymore. I
> buy all of my stuff from freestylephoto.biz, who have kept
> Astia in stock continuously for the last year.

That may be, and they have several interesting looking films.
But if all I'm after is some Provia, their price is $1.30
more per roll and their shipping is 3-times more than from
B&H. That adds up pretty quickly.
________________________________________
John Thurston
Juneau, Alaska
http://stereo.thurstons.us

Subject: Re: Provia & maybe Astia in stock
Date: 2011-10-08 05:55:17
From: bob_karambelas

Yes, Freestyle is good and I've used them. They were out of Astia a few weeks ago after the Fuji announcement, though. Good to keep in mind as an option.

When prices are similar, I use whomever is closest, especially in the warm months.

--- In MF3D-group@yahoogroups.com, "coronet3d" wrote:

Subject: Re: Provia & maybe Astia in stock
Date: 2011-10-08 06:12:45
From: bob_karambelas

Glad I was able to help..

I especially like Astia with flash lighting; warms things up just enough without being phony.

--- In MF3D-group@yahoogroups.com, Boris Starosta wrote:
>
> thanks for the tip, Bob. I ordered some ASTIA just now!
>

Subject: Re: Provia & maybe Astia in stock
Date: 2011-10-11 06:53:08
From: Boris Starosta

I used Sensia (35mm, inexpensive) all those years I shot studio nudes, and except for going yellow on certain skin tones in highlights, I did really like the color rendition under flash / strobes. I was told once that Sensia was the same emulsion as Astia, just that Astia was made less "green," aged longer, because it was expected to spend less time in the warehouse or on the shelf.

Has anyone here ever used a warmup filter for shooting nudes under flash? The idea just occurred to me...

cheers,

Boris

On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 8:12 AM, bob_karambelas <bob_karambelas@yahoo.com> wrote:

Glad I was able to help..

I especially like Astia with flash lighting; warms things up just enough without being phony.

--- In MF3D-group@yahoogroups.com, Boris Starosta wrote:
>
> thanks for the tip, Bob. I ordered some ASTIA just now!
>

--
A mathematician is a machine for turning coffee into theorems -- Alfréd Rényi

Subject: Re: Provia & maybe Astia in stock
Date: 2011-10-11 06:54:55
From: Boris Starosta

I bet Ektachrome GX would be good for nudes under flash, too. Anyone have experience with that?

thanks

Boris

On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 8:52 AM, Boris Starosta <boris@starosta.com> wrote:

I used Sensia (35mm, inexpensive) all those years I shot studio nudes, and except for going yellow on certain skin tones in highlights, I did really like the color rendition under flash / strobes. I was told once that Sensia was the same emulsion as Astia, just that Astia was made less "green," aged longer, because it was expected to spend less time in the warehouse or on the shelf.

Has anyone here ever used a warmup filter for shooting nudes under flash? The idea just occurred to me...

cheers,

Boris

On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 8:12 AM, bob_karambelas <bob_karambelas@yahoo.com> wrote:

Glad I was able to help..

I especially like Astia with flash lighting; warms things up just enough without being phony.

--- In MF3D-group@yahoogroups.com, Boris Starosta wrote:
>
> thanks for the tip, Bob. I ordered some ASTIA just now!
>

--
A mathematician is a machine for turning coffee into theorems -- Alfréd Rényi

--
A mathematician is a machine for turning coffee into theorems -- Alfréd Rényi

Subject: Re: Provia & maybe Astia in stock
Date: 2011-10-11 14:47:07
From: bob_karambelas

That's my understanding... Sensia and Astia were essentially the same film... I notice that they just discontinued both in the last sizes, so that seems to confirm it.

I was thinking that if I wanted to warm up studio lighting, it would make more sense to use a 1/4 CTO gel on the strobes.... just so it would be a milder effect. Probably cheaper, too, unless you already own the filters.

--- In MF3D-group@yahoogroups.com, Boris Starosta wrote:
>
> I used Sensia (35mm, inexpensive) all those years I shot studio nudes, and
> except for going yellow on certain skin tones in highlights, I did really
> like the color rendition under flash / strobes. I was told once that Sensia
> was the same emulsion as Astia, just that Astia was made less "green," aged
> longer, because it was expected to spend less time in the warehouse or on
> the shelf.
>
> Has anyone here ever used a warmup filter for shooting nudes under flash?
> The idea just occurred to me...
>
> cheers,
>
> Boris
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 8:12 AM, bob_karambelas wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > Glad I was able to help..
> >
> > I especially like Astia with flash lighting; warms things up just enough
> > without being phony.
> >
> >
> > --- In MF3D-group@yahoogroups.com, Boris Starosta wrote:
> > >
> > > thanks for the tip, Bob. I ordered some ASTIA just now!
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> A mathematician is a machine for turning coffee into theorems -- Alfréd
> Rényi
>

Subject: Re: Provia & maybe Astia in stock
Date: 2011-10-11 14:59:57
From: John Thurston

bob_karambelas wrote:

> That's my understanding... Sensia and Astia were essentially the same film... I notice that they just discontinued both in the last sizes, so that seems to confirm it.

Hmmm I haven't seen Sensia for several years and never in
120 size. I still have a roll or two in the freezer of
Sensia 200 (in 135) which I would push to 400 for use in my
Burdlo. As long as I can get Provia 400X, I won't have to
use the old Sensia.

Was Sensia ever sold in 120 format?
--
John Thurston
Juneau Alaska
http://stereo.thurstons.us

Subject: Re: Provia & maybe Astia in stock
Date: 2011-10-12 14:24:39
From: bob_karambelas

I think Sensia was just 35mm... it's been available, if scarce. For the last year, Astia was only in 120mm, and they were both discontinued at the same time... seems to confirm that they were basically the same film.

--- In MF3D-group@yahoogroups.com, John Thurston wrote:

Subject: Re: Provia & maybe Astia in stock
Date: 2011-10-12 15:16:45
From: JR

You mentioned skin tones looking yellow. Wouldn't you want to compensate with a blue hue? Actually, CC filters in front of the lens, or lighting gels in front of the lights can work quite well. In addition to lower price, using them in front of the lights instead of the lens has the added advantage that you have more control, for example if you want slightly different hue in the key light than in the fill. I used to use differential color correction for portraits, tending to more magenta for women and more red for men. These are very subtle, depending on film stock (and even emulsion and storage) being on the order of .025 to .05 CC at the most. Also, you sometimes need to compensate for ambient reflections, such as off of colored walls, drapes, etc. Also, if you use UV correction for electronic flash or daylight, this will also affect any additional color correction, and not always equally, depending on the angle of your UV source. I once got some real nice skin tones using gold foil reflectors. This effects some real nice bronze tones.

JR

On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 5:52 AM, Boris Starosta <boris@starosta.com> wrote:

I used Sensia (35mm, inexpensive) all those years I shot studio nudes, and except for going yellow on certain skin tones in highlights, I did really like the color rendition under flash / strobes. I was told once that Sensia was the same emulsion as Astia, just that Astia was made less "green," aged longer, because it was expected to spend less time in the warehouse or on the shelf.

Has anyone here ever used a warmup filter for shooting nudes under flash? The idea just occurred to me...

cheers,

Boris

On Sat, Oct 8, 2011 at 8:12 AM, bob_karambelas <bob_karambelas@yahoo.com> wrote:

Glad I was able to help..

I especially like Astia with flash lighting; warms things up just enough without being phony.

--- In MF3D-group@yahoogroups.com, Boris Starosta wrote:
>
> thanks for the tip, Bob. I ordered some ASTIA just now!
>

--
A mathematician is a machine for turning coffee into theorems -- Alfréd Rényi

--
stereoscope3d@gmail.com

Subject: Re: Provia & maybe Astia in stock
Date: 2011-10-13 10:11:51
From: Boris Starosta

I want to clarify, Sensia going yellow _in highlights_ only - where the film is nominally overexposed - and only on darker skin types.

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 5:16 PM, JR <stereoscope3d@gmail.com> wrote:

You mentioned skin tones looking yellow. Wouldn't you want to compensate with a blue hue? Actually, CC filters in front of

On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 5:52 AM, Boris Starosta <boris@starosta.com> wrote:

I used Sensia (35mm, inexpensive) all those years I shot studio nudes, and except for going yellow on certain skin tones in highlights, I did really like the color rendition under flash / strobes.

--
A mathematician is a machine for turning coffee into theorems -- Alfréd Rényi

Subject: Re: Provia & maybe Astia in stock
Date: 2011-10-13 10:38:17
From: JR

I am glad that you clarified that Boris. That is another reason for controlling color at the lights rather than the lens. In this case, you might want to use a bluer filter over those lights, such as rim lights, that affect mainly the highlight areas.

JR

On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 9:11 AM, Boris Starosta <boris@starosta.com> wrote:

I want to clarify, Sensia going yellow _in highlights_ only - where the film is nominally overexposed - and only on darker skin types.

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 5:16 PM, JR <stereoscope3d@gmail.com> wrote:

You mentioned skin tones looking yellow. Wouldn't you want to compensate with a blue hue? Actually, CC filters in front of

On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 5:52 AM, Boris Starosta <boris@starosta.com> wrote:

I used Sensia (35mm, inexpensive) all those years I shot studio nudes, and except for going yellow on certain skin tones in highlights, I did really like the color rendition under flash / strobes.

--
A mathematician is a machine for turning coffee into theorems -- Alfréd Rényi

--
stereoscope3d@gmail.com

Subject: Re: Provia & maybe Astia in stock
Date: 2011-12-05 12:36:01
From: Boris Starosta

I meant to advise the list some time ago... I got a bunch of Astia100F 120 from Adorama - expiry date is 7/2013. Must have been the last Astia made by Fuji. I wonder how much of it Adorama has in stock?

I've already shot some and can report that I don't like the color as much as the older Astia (I'd shot the same scene with a roll of vintage 2003 Astia). Could just be that the new film is "green" and needs some aging.

I'm doing my part to keep film processing going! I just ordered another ten propacks. Seventy rolls of 120 ASTIA will keep me going for the rest of my life, at my current rate of shooting. Or it will last me 18 months, if I get busy and excited!

I decided it wasn't going to be getting any cheaper, and could disappear at any moment.

cheers,

Boris

On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 12:37 PM, JR <stereoscope3d@gmail.com> wrote:

I am glad that you clarified that Boris. That is another reason for controlling color at the lights rather than the lens. In this case, you might want to use a bluer filter over those lights, such as rim lights, that affect mainly the highlight areas.

JR

On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 9:11 AM, Boris Starosta <boris@starosta.com> wrote:

I want to clarify, Sensia going yellow _in highlights_ only - where the film is nominally overexposed - and only on darker skin types.

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 5:16 PM, JR <stereoscope3d@gmail.com> wrote:

You mentioned skin tones looking yellow. Wouldn't you want to compensate with a blue hue? Actually, CC filters in front of

On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 5:52 AM, Boris Starosta <boris@starosta.com> wrote:

I used Sensia (35mm, inexpensive) all those years I shot studio nudes, and except for going yellow on certain skin tones in highlights, I did really like the color rendition under flash / strobes.

--
A mathematician is a machine for turning coffee into theorems -- Alfréd Rényi

--
stereoscope3d@gmail.com

--
A mathematician is a machine for turning coffee into theorems -- Alfréd Rényi

Subject: Re: Provia & maybe Astia in stock
Date: 2011-12-06 11:53:42
From: bob_karambelas

Interesting. I'm still shooting 2012-09 film, which I think I bought last spring. But The stuff that came from Adorama after the discontinuance notice had 2013 dates (two orders, second one was dated a month or two after the first), and I haven't shot any of that yet. I should try one.

When Fuji discontinued Astia, they said they expected to have stock to ship through next March. I don't know how "March" will translate into retail availability, but I'm buying whatever I expect to use between now and 2013.

--- In MF3D-group@yahoogroups.com, Boris Starosta wrote:
>
> I meant to advise the list some time ago... I got a bunch of Astia100F 120
> from Adorama - expiry date is 7/2013. Must have been the last Astia made
> by Fuji. I wonder how much of it Adorama has in stock?

Subject: Re: Provia & maybe Astia in stock
Date: 2011-12-14 22:02:13
From: sekharni

Ektachrome e100 g is even better than Astia. Sharper and natural color without looking slightly dull like Astia. Beautiful reds and nice skin tones. I was using Astia until its discontinuation forced me to try E100g It has replaced velvia and Astia for me now.
I would encourage all of you to try it

Nik

--- In MF3D-group@yahoogroups.com, "bob_karambelas" wrote:
>
> Interesting. I'm still shooting 2012-09 film, which I think I bought last spring. But The stuff that came from Adorama after the discontinuance notice had 2013 dates (two orders, second one was dated a month or two after the first), and I haven't shot any of that yet. I should try one.
>
> When Fuji discontinued Astia, they said they expected to have stock to ship through next March. I don't know how "March" will translate into retail availability, but I'm buying whatever I expect to use between now and 2013.
>
> --- In MF3D-group@yahoogroups.com, Boris Starosta wrote:
> >
> > I meant to advise the list some time ago... I got a bunch of Astia100F 120
> > from Adorama - expiry date is 7/2013. Must have been the last Astia made
> > by Fuji. I wonder how much of it Adorama has in stock?
>

Subject: Re: Provia & maybe Astia in stock
Date: 2011-12-15 10:18:28
From: bob_karambelas

Y'know what messes me up? Kodak's film marking on 120 are harder to see than Fuji's. Every time I use Kodak 120 film, I mess up the winding. I keep looking for the arrows and dots, and next thing I know I've missed a frame.

--- In MF3D-group@yahoogroups.com, "sekharni" wrote:
>
> Ektachrome e100 g is even better than Astia. Sharper and natural color without looking slightly dull like Astia. Beautiful reds and nice skin tones. I was using Astia until its discontinuation forced me to try E100g It has replaced velvia and Astia for me now.
> I would encourage all of you to try it
>
> Nik
>

Subject: Archaic Kodak [was: Provia & maybe Astia in stock]
Date: 2011-12-15 11:42:11
From: John Thurston

bob_karambelas wrote:

> Y'know what messes me up? Kodak's film marking on 120 are harder to see than Fuji's. Every time I use Kodak 120 film, I mess up the winding. I keep looking for the arrows and dots, and next thing I know I've missed a frame.

Agreed. But to change the markings now, Kodak would have to
admit that Fuji has improved upon the markings Kodak created
over a hundred years ago. "It was good enough in 1899. It's
good enough now."

Even worse, from my perspective, is Kodak's continued use of
lick-and-stick closing tabs. Even the US Postal Service has
gone to self-adhesive stamps. Fuji's self-release-paper
stickum is such a great improvement.

And on the subject of differences, the paper tape holding
the unexposed film closed is superior on the Fuji product.
It holds just as well as Kodak's but is always easier to
strip off. Kodak seals the whole thing down and I have to
try to cut the tape with my thumbnail while not tearing the
leader-paper.

The little hook fuji puts in the center of their 120
spindles is kind of nice. But since Kodak doesn't punch a
hole in the leader of their backing paper, it is only useful
if you follow one Fuji roll with another.

Mechanically, I dislike shooting Kodak film. But it's the
image that matters, so I still carry E100G with me. I shoot
mostly Provia, but there are times I think I'll prefer the
color from the Kodak and I like to have it available.
--
John Thurston
Juneau Alaska
http://stereo.thurstons.us

Subject: Re: Archaic Kodak [was: Provia & maybe Astia in stock]
Date: 2011-12-19 14:53:12
From: bob_karambelas

Well, Kodak's stock seems headed to zero, down 20% today. Apparently it's hard to sell patents if people think you're going bankrupt, because a sale could be voided by the courts. I now think they'll have to file within a few months.

That doesn't mean they'll liquidate the film business... it's still marginally profitable. But Kodak or a buyer would probably scale it back to only the most profitable items.... even more than has already occurred.

In better news, silver prices have fallen dramatically, so that'll help all film manufacturers for a while.

--- In MF3D-group@yahoogroups.com, John Thurston wrote:
>

Subject: Re: Archaic Kodak [was: Provia & maybe Astia in stock]
Date: 2011-12-19 18:05:24
From: timo_puhakka

--- In MF3D-group@yahoogroups.com, "bob_karambelas" wrote:

>
>
> That doesn't mean they'll liquidate the film business... it's still marginally profitable. But Kodak or a buyer would probably scale it back to only the most profitable items.... even more than has already occurred.
>

We can hope that somebody dedicated to film will buy the film division. Bankruptcy can be very good sometimes. The trick is if the right buyer comes along to make a good product even better.

Timo

Subject: Re: Archaic Kodak [was: Provia & maybe Astia in stock]
Date: 2011-12-22 19:21:46
From: bob_karambelas

Selling off a piece of the film business. Presumably Kodak will remain a customer.

"Kodak says it will sell Eastman Gelatine business to Rousselot; terms not disclosed"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/industries/kodak-says-it-will-sell-eastman-gelatine-business-to-rousselot-terms-not-disclosed/2011/12/22/gIQA6192BP_story.html

--- In MF3D-group@yahoogroups.com, "bob_karambelas" wrote:

Subject: Re: Provia & maybe Astia in stock
Date: 2012-01-05 21:04:00
From: lattie_smart

It's been nearly a month, but I just got a confirmation from Adorama that my 10 rolls of Astia 120 is being shipped.

--- In MF3D-group@yahoogroups.com, "bob_karambelas" wrote:
>
> I was just notified by B&H that Provia 120 is back in stock.
>
> Also happened to check Adorama, and they showed Astia 120 in stock... it had been marked as out of stock in recent months. They took my order, we'll see if it ships. Maybe it's a last chance to stock up on Astia, as Fuji said they've already stopped production and plan to have shipments through March.