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Subject: Final lens problem.
Date: 2012-08-31 03:07:58
From: David Richardson
 While cleaning the final lens on my Tl-120, the lens, the ocular, slipped out of place. One can see the wayward optic and its sealing o-ring held in place by the "final" metal portion. Any advice as to how to effect a repair? 
Subject: Re: Final lens problem.
Date: 2012-08-31 12:17:18
From: John Thurston
On 8/31/2012 1:07 AM, David Richardson wrote:
> While cleaning the final lens on my Tl-120,

Do you mean "the last of the three lenses", or "the last
glass element in one of the lenses"?

If the former, is it the viewing lens or one of the taking
lenses?

> the lens, the
> ocular, slipped out of place.

Do you mean the objective (the outer-most lens element), or
one of the inner elements?

? One can see the wayward
> optic and its sealing o-ring held in place by the "final"
> metal portion.

This sounds like the outer retaining ring.
Can you either post a picture of the problem lens, or shoot
me a couple of pictures off-list?

> Any advice as to how to effect a repair?

First, don't do anything until you have an action plan. If
you start taking things apart, you may end up creating more
problems than you have right now. Try specifically to avoid
rotating anything. If the outer element is the one which is
loose, try to make indicator marks so you can maintain its
orientation with the other elements in the lens.

Second, better identify for us the problem lens and location
of the problem. The more information you can share, the
better we can help.

Third, I have spare lenses for the TL120-1. Depending on
what the problem is, it may be better to replace than
repair. If the problem is in a taking lens, you may need to
pay a professional to recement or realign the lens after you
get it apart/together. If the problem is in the viewing
lens, alignment of the elements is probably not as critical.
It may make sens to replace a lens than try to repair it.

Fourth, if it is the taking lens and the damage is severe,
and you are willing to live without the internal meter and
ground-glass finder, you could just take the lens off and
rig a bright-line finder for the camera.

Fifth, depending on the extent of the damage, it may be best
to replace the whole lens cluster. Like I say, I have a full
set of spare lenses. You could also take the opportunity to
turn your TL120-1 into a TL120-55 :) Take off the focusing
75mm lenses and install fixed-focus 55mm lenses.

I'm happy to help. Post more information here, or send it
off-list to me.
--
John Thurston
Juneau, Alaska
Subject: Re: Final lens problem.
Date: 2012-08-31 15:18:57
From: Geoffrey S. Waldo
55mm lenses sound is this a mod that can be done relatively easily assuming there is a source for the lenses!
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On Aug 31, 2012, at 12:17 PM, John Thurston <juneau3d@thurstons.us> wrote:

 

On 8/31/2012 1:07 AM, David Richardson wrote:
> While cleaning the final lens on my Tl-120,

Do you mean "the last of the three lenses", or "the last
glass element in one of the lenses"?

If the former, is it the viewing lens or one of the taking
lenses?

> the lens, the
> ocular, slipped out of place.

Do you mean the objective (the outer-most lens element), or
one of the inner elements?

? One can see the wayward
> optic and its sealing o-ring held in place by the "final"
> metal portion.

This sounds like the outer retaining ring.
Can you either post a picture of the problem lens, or shoot
me a couple of pictures off-list?

> Any advice as to how to effect a repair?

First, don't do anything until you have an action plan. If
you start taking things apart, you may end up creating more
problems than you have right now. Try specifically to avoid
rotating anything. If the outer element is the one which is
loose, try to make indicator marks so you can maintain its
orientation with the other elements in the lens.

Second, better identify for us the problem lens and location
of the problem. The more information you can share, the
better we can help.

Third, I have spare lenses for the TL120-1. Depending on
what the problem is, it may be better to replace than
repair. If the problem is in a taking lens, you may need to
pay a professional to recement or realign the lens after you
get it apart/together. If the problem is in the viewing
lens, alignment of the elements is probably not as critical.
It may make sens to replace a lens than try to repair it.

Fourth, if it is the taking lens and the damage is severe,
and you are willing to live without the internal meter and
ground-glass finder, you could just take the lens off and
rig a bright-line finder for the camera.

Fifth, depending on the extent of the damage, it may be best
to replace the whole lens cluster. Like I say, I have a full
set of spare lenses. You could also take the opportunity to
turn your TL120-1 into a TL120-55 :) Take off the focusing
75mm lenses and install fixed-focus 55mm lenses.

I'm happy to help. Post more information here, or send it
off-list to me.
--
John Thurston
Juneau, Alaska

Subject: TL120-55 [was: Final lens problem.]
Date: 2012-09-01 22:04:53
From: John Thurston
On 8/31/2012 1:20 PM, Geoffrey S. Waldo wrote:
> 55mm lenses sound [interesting?] is this a mod that can be done relatively easily assuming there is a source for the lenses!

It isn't a _complicated_ mod, but it isn't something you
would do in the field (or even for a day).

My design for a TL120-55 involves removing the entire lens
board from the TL120-1 (with all three of the lenses). The
board/lens assembly is replaced with a board (I designed)
carrying three Mamiya 55mm f/4.5 lenses (from their TLR
cameras C220/C330).

My design uses the TL120's shutters and the Mamiya apertures
(un-linked). It creates a fixed focus camera that is
effective at f/22 from 2m to infinity, and f/16 from 2.5m to
infinity. It is based on an idea and implementation by Sam
Smith. Sam's was a one-off creation using custom castings and
some milling work. I took his idea and designed a board which
could be CNC machined. I had a handful of boards made and
sold them as a cost-recovery group-buy through MF3D. The
buyers were responsible for sourcing lenses and modifying
their own camera.

See
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MF3D-group/message/1856
for some more comments from Mike Davis in 2008.

An extract from that message:
> The spreadsheet shows that at f/22, with the camera focused at 3.4
> meters (11.2 feet), the resulting circles of confusion can support a
> goal of 5.71 lp/mm for subject spaces that fit these distance ranges:
>
> f/22.6 --- 6 feet to Infinity
> f/19.0 --- 7 feet to 68 feet
> f/16.0 --- 7 feet to 38 feet
> f/13.5 --- 7 feet to 24 feet
> f/11.3 --- 8 feet to 22 feet
> f/9.5 --- 8 feet to 18 feet
> f/8.0 --- 9 feet to 17.5 feet
>
> Remember that each of these distance ranges can be expanded by
> lowering the resolution goal, but if John shoots only subjects that
> fit these distance ranges for the apertures shown, I'm certain he cab
> bring home some razor sharp wide angle stereo views.

Look in the archives:
Late in 2007 for design discussions of the TL120-55
February 2008 for discussions about the TL120-55.
March 2008 for Peter Thomson's project for a focusing 55.
September 2008 for a mention of a board/lens combo for sale

The rendering of my lens board design.
http://www.alaska.net/~thurston/images/frontofboard.gif
http://www.alaska.net/~thurston/images/backofboard.gif

Installed on my Tl120 but before installing lenses
http://www.alaska.net/~thurston/images/IMG_3689.JPG

Not my TL120-55, but another creator's version
http://www.alaska.net/~thurston/images/55mmDoneKK.JPG

I don't think I have a picture of my TL120-55 anywhere.

If you would like to make one, it isn't hard and I can share
more information. If you would like parts to help you, I have
some. Last year one of the empty lens boards came back to me
in trade. I also have three Mamyia 55 f/4.5 lenses left in my
drawer.

If all you want to do is try it out, drop me a note off-list.
My TL120-55 has gone out on loan a couple of times over the
last few years. It has let people capture some really amazing
images which would not have been possible with the stock TL120-1.

________________________________________
John Thurston
Juneau, Alaska
http://stereo.thurstons.us