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Subject: Looks like I'm going to have to Re-Invent the Wheel
Date: 2013-07-08 23:00:41
From: Mark
Hi

So there's no steal the light viewers to be had now and the more complex automated ones either?? This proves to be a problem for shoots and up coming installations.

I have a gallery meeting tomorrow and will raise this point. Good news as mad builders / steampunks they're likely to be into building bespoke units.

A show of hands for people who want these as well. A seed of a new business there.

Biq Q: where can I get the lenses for stereo card viewers and MF lenses?

Also anyone have plans for old cabinet viewers? The 3DWorld one I have I've always wanted to rebuild and I do plan to sell my well traveled GeoMetric Primitive (35mm stereo realist)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGVDoxCGd9A

Cheers

Mark
Subject: Re: Looks like I'm going to have to Re-Invent the Wheel
Date: 2013-07-09 08:48:19
From: coronet3d
--- In MF3D-group@yahoogroups.com, "Mark" wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> So there's no steal the light viewers to be had now and the more complex automated ones either?? This proves to be a problem for shoots and up coming installations.
>
I believe Jon Golden of 3D Concepts can sell you MF 3D Drum Viewers, but they are considerably more expensive than the 3D World sequential viewer. The pictures I've seen of them makes them look much better built than the 3D World sequential viewers.
Steve
Subject: Re: Looks like I'm going to have to Re-Invent the Wheel
Date: 2013-07-09 21:20:12
From: Brian Reynolds
Mark wrote:
>
> So there's no steal the light viewers to be had now and the more
> complex automated ones either?? This proves to be a problem for
> shoots and up coming installations.
>
> I have a gallery meeting tomorrow and will raise this point. Good
> news as mad builders / steampunks they're likely to be into building
> bespoke units.

Kids today! With your commercial viewers and stereo cameras. Why in
my day we built our viewers and liked it that way. Get off my lawn!

More seriously, Robert Thorpe has a web page from back in the day that
shows a variety of different MF3D viewers that people built (and
sold). You can get plenty of ideas from that page.

<http://www.skep.com/3D/gallery.htm>

I had one of the earliest Saturn viewers that used a pair of lenses
that I bought myself from American Science and Surplus
<http://www.sciplus.com/>. Surplus Shed <http://surplusshed.com/> was
another good place for achromatic lenses.

--
Brian Reynolds | "It's just like flying a spaceship.
reynolds@panix.com | You push some buttons and see
http://www.panix.com/~reynolds/ | what happens." -- Zapp Brannigan
NAR# 54438 |
Subject: Re: Looks like I'm going to have to Re-Invent the Wheel
Date: 2013-10-08 10:17:47
From: blackiceuk

so what are the specs on the lenses needed? 


M 



---In mf3d-group@yahoogroups.com, wrote:

Mark wrote:
>
> So there's no steal the light viewers to be had now and the more
> complex automated ones either?? This proves to be a problem for
> shoots and up coming installations.
>
> I have a gallery meeting tomorrow and will raise this point. Good
> news as mad builders / steampunks they're likely to be into building
> bespoke units.

Kids today! With your commercial viewers and stereo cameras. Why in
my day we built our viewers and liked it that way. Get off my lawn!

More seriously, Robert Thorpe has a web page from back in the day that
shows a variety of different MF3D viewers that people built (and
sold). You can get plenty of ideas from that page.

<http://www.skep.com/3D/gallery.htm>

I had one of the earliest Saturn viewers that used a pair of lenses
that I bought myself from American Science and Surplus
<http://www.sciplus.com/>. Surplus Shed <http://surplusshed.com/> was
another good place for achromatic lenses.

--
Brian Reynolds | "It's just like flying a spaceship.
reynolds@... | You push some buttons and see
http://www.panix.com/~reynolds/ | what happens." -- Zapp Brannigan
NAR# 54438 |
Subject: Re: Looks like I'm going to have to Re-Invent the Wheel
Date: 2013-10-08 14:11:45
From: Alvah Whealton
I note that all the items are for transparencies and I am aware of how stereo transparencies, with proper lighting and lenses, are truly dynamite to view.  I use color prints in the old-fashioned Holmes style stereoscopes.  Granted, the visual quality between the two is far from comparable. But the experience is different also.  I am an old man living in a retirement setting with a lot of people who are even older than me.  Everyone around remembers seeing Holmes stereoscopes sometime during their lives, and most have stories of being fascinated with them.  For me, it is a huge pleasure to bring out one of my stereoscopes and show them stereo prints I have made. The look on their faces is priceless.  In the past, I have shown some of them color stereo slides in a lighted stereo viewer. They find such photos "interesting,"  but there isn't the same enthusiasm as with the Holmes stereoscopes. 
 
Some of you may feel nauseous at what I do. To make stereo views for the old Holmes stereoscopes I use a copier to reduce my 4x4 prints to 81%, on card stock, and that works in the Holmes viewers.  For myself, I can use the 4x4 prints in a rigged stereoscope.  I have yet to make a Holmes-style scope specifically for the 4x4 prints, but it is on my agenda (right after the honey-do list).  I expect that finding proper prism lenses for such a scope will be a challenge, however.  
 
Thanks,
Al Whealton
 
 
------ Original Message ------
From: blackice@pavilion.co.uk
To: MF3D-group@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 10/8/2013 12:17:17 PM
Subject: [MF3D-group] RE: Looks like I'm going to have to Re-Invent the Wheel
 

so what are the specs on the lenses needed? 


M 



---In mf3d-group@yahoogroups.com, wrote:

Mark wrote:
>
> So there's no steal the light viewers to be had now and the more
> complex automated ones either?? This proves to be a problem for
> shoots and up coming installations.
>
> I have a gallery meeting tomorrow and will raise this point. Good
> news as mad builders / steampunks they're likely to be into building
> bespoke units.

Kids today! With your commercial viewers and stereo cameras. Why in
my day we built our viewers and liked it that way. Get off my lawn!

More seriously, Robert Thorpe has a web page from back in the day that
shows a variety of different MF3D viewers that people built (and
sold). You can get plenty of ideas from that page.

<http://www.skep.com/3D/gallery.htm>

I had one of the earliest Saturn viewers that used a pair of lenses
that I bought myself from American Science and Surplus
<http://www.sciplus.com/>. Surplus Shed <http://surplusshed.com/> was
another good place for achromatic lenses.

--
Brian Reynolds | "It's just like flying a spaceship.
reynolds@... | You push some buttons and see
http://www.panix.com/~reynolds/ | what happens." -- Zapp Brannigan
NAR# 54438 |
Subject: Re: Looks like I'm going to have to Re-Invent the Wheel
Date: 2013-10-08 14:39:21
From: JR
I think that it is at least interesting that 100 years ago the Keystone View company made a combination viewer that could be used for either prints (conventional stereo cards) or transparencies of the same size, a vision testing device called the Correct-Eye-Scope.  For transparencies it had an opal glass with a store-fixture type lamp behind.  I have one.  Portrait orientation 6 x 9 MF slides work great in it.   

Equally interesting, it is still made today, with exactly the same name.   Only instead of the wood and brass parts, used on my 1913 version, it is now made out of plastic. 

http://www.keystoneview.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&category_id=9&product_id=215&Itemid=105&lang=en

JR
stereoscope3d@gmail.com



On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 1:11 PM, Alvah Whealton <awhealton@gmail.com> wrote:
 

I note that all the items are for transparencies and I am aware of how stereo transparencies, with proper lighting and lenses, are truly dynamite to view.  I use color prints in the old-fashioned Holmes style stereoscopes.  Granted, the visual quality between the two is far from comparable. But the experience is different also.  I am an old man living in a retirement setting with a lot of people who are even older than me.  Everyone around remembers seeing Holmes stereoscopes sometime during their lives, and most have stories of being fascinated with them.  For me, it is a huge pleasure to bring out one of my stereoscopes and show them stereo prints I have made. The look on their faces is priceless.  In the past, I have shown some of them color stereo slides in a lighted stereo viewer. They find such photos "interesting,"  but there isn't the same enthusiasm as with the Holmes stereoscopes. 
 
Some of you may feel nauseous at what I do. To make stereo views for the old Holmes stereoscopes I use a copier to reduce my 4x4 prints to 81%, on card stock, and that works in the Holmes viewers.  For myself, I can use the 4x4 prints in a rigged stereoscope.  I have yet to make a Holmes-style scope specifically for the 4x4 prints, but it is on my agenda (right after the honey-do list).  I expect that finding proper prism lenses for such a scope will be a challenge, however.  
 
Thanks,
Al Whealton
 
 
------ Original Message ------
Sent: 10/8/2013 12:17:17 PM
Subject: [MF3D-group] RE: Looks like I'm going to have to Re-Invent the Wheel
 

so what are the specs on the lenses needed? 


M 



---In mf3d-group@yahoogroups.com, wrote:

Mark wrote:
>
> So there's no steal the light viewers to be had now and the more
> complex automated ones either?? This proves to be a problem for
> shoots and up coming installations.
>
> I have a gallery meeting tomorrow and will raise this point. Good
> news as mad builders / steampunks they're likely to be into building
> bespoke units.

Kids today! With your commercial viewers and stereo cameras. Why in
my day we built our viewers and liked it that way. Get off my lawn!

More seriously, Robert Thorpe has a web page from back in the day that
shows a variety of different MF3D viewers that people built (and
sold). You can get plenty of ideas from that page.

<http://www.skep.com/3D/gallery.htm>

I had one of the earliest Saturn viewers that used a pair of lenses
that I bought myself from American Science and Surplus
<http://www.sciplus.com/>. Surplus Shed <http://surplusshed.com/> was
another good place for achromatic lenses.

--
Brian Reynolds | "It's just like flying a spaceship.
reynolds@... | You push some buttons and see
http://www.panix.com/~reynolds/ | what happens." -- Zapp Brannigan
NAR# 54438 |




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