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Subject: Heydascope, first impressions
Date: 2014-01-28 00:25:45
From: John Thurston
Sorry for dropping the first shoe last week and then falling silent. I
was heading out of town and had just stopped long enough to open the
mailing box and fondle my new viewer. I've now returned and can share
some more impressions.

This is not intended to be an 'out of five stars' review. This is not a
'thumbs-up/down' review. What is offered below are my observations of my
viewer. There are no measurements offered. They will probably come
later. This is a purely subjective commentary.

It is a very solid feeling viewer. Unlike the MFPV/3D-World STL viewer,
the Heydascope is dense. It has big lenses, and a lot of cast plastic.
It is very comfortable in my hands. The thumb switch falls easily to
hand after picking up the viewer. I'm not going to miss thrashing around
on the top of the viewer for a 'red button'

The focus lever is on the right side and also falls immediately to hand.
It seem perfectly natural to me (a right handed user) and it seemed to
present no problems to the south-paw in my family. There is an
inconsistent amount of back-lash in the mechanism. I have found my best
results come when treating it like a microscope and focusing 'on the
pull'. If I overshoot, I back it way down and 'pull' it again. Once
comfortable, I don't have any problem with it walking (or pushing) back
in. The focus seems a bit stiff to me. I'm considering opening the
viewer up and applying a little Nye damping grease to the slides, but am
afraid this might make it too slippery. I'm going to let it ride and see
how it wears in.

The viewer does not say Heydascope anywhere on it. This, I think, is an
oversight which should be corrected.

The fixed interocular is a blessing after dealing with the lens assembly
on the 3D-World lit viewer.

The light panel is positioned pretty far behind the slide. I don't think
dust on that surface is going to be a problem for me. It is possible to
get the lenses to almost focus on the panel, but it is way beyond where
I focus for the slide.

The slot handles my 80x140 slide mounts well. My protective sleeves push
the slide up a bit, putting the center of the slide a bit higher than
center. This is not a problem, and I notice it less than on the 3D World
lit viewer.

There is no center thumb-dimple for removing the slide. But, because of
the curve on the outer surfaces, the corners of the slide stand proud
and are easy to grab.

80x132 carboard mounts work just fine. They have more freedom to move in
the slot, but nothing a little shim won't fix.

The slot is much better built than either of the 3D World viewers which
always seem to have parts bowing or grabbing at my slides. Larry has put
a lot of time into this viewer.

The viewer hood is excellent. It makes for a much larger viewer than the
3D World models, but it really reduces distraction. Again, there is
plenty of space in there for glasses.

The lighting is bright and surprisingly even. Like the 3D World
illuminated viewer, the Heydascope uses an LED edge-lit panel. Unlike
the 3D World, the difference in light across the panel is very small.
I'm not prepared to offer a measurement of the difference, but I will
say is is _way_ better than the 3D World (which I found to be noticeable
but acceptable).

The power system driving the panel, however, is not up to the standard
of the rest of the viewer. The Heydascope relies on a simple
battery/switch to directly drive the LED panel. This is very inefficient
and doesn't allow the panel to be driven to its full potential. I have
communicated with Larry on this subject, and I'm not sure where he'll go
with this. What is here will work, but it is sub-optimal and I'm pretty
sure I'm going to try to improve this part of the system. If I do, and
if I succeed, I'll offer Larry (and anyone else) information on what I
change.

The lenses are big hunks of glass and I label them a success. I like
getting up close to them, but they are also the first viewer lenses I've
found to be usable with my reading glasses. They present very little
edge distortion and have good contrast.

Before you ask, I'm not giving up my Heydascope. If you want one, you
need to ask Larry to make on for you :)
--
John Thurston
Juneau Alaska
http://stereo.thurstons.us
Subject: Re: Heydascope, first impressions
Date: 2014-01-28 07:44:04
From: gornitai
I want to thank John Thurston for his excellent review. I hope it gives enough information to anyone in the 3D community who might be contemplating the purchase of a Heydascope viewer.

Regarding the lighting system: as John mentioned, it is presently providing bright light for the viewer, but may not be the most efficient to keep the screen lit for hours without recharging. John has offered his help to improve the power system for the panel, and I am very grateful. Of course, if the lighting system is upgraded, it will be incorporated into all the new viewers that come off the production line.

Three people have ordered viewers already. They are finished and are ready to be shipped today, but I will write to each of you individually to see if you would like to wait until a more efficient power supply is available for the viewer. It works fine now, but if there is a question of longevity regarding the panel staying bright or lasting over the years, then I want to improve on that. If you want the viewer shipped today, I will offer to replace the power system free of charge once an upgrade is available.

This viewer has taken many months of design and redesign to make it to the light of day. I am very glad John finds the ergonomics and the view to his satisfaction, as I have tried to make the best viewer I can. I will be posting newer pictures of the viewer on my website later today which show the new metallic bronze color that really compliments the design of the viewer. Other metallic colors will be available as well. This paint is a new line of metallics made by Rustoleum. It is very hard and very durable and gives a superior richness to the finish.

Kind regards,

Larry Heyda www.freewebs.com/larryeda
Subject: Re: Heydascope, first impressions
Date: 2014-01-29 00:40:37
From: John Thurston
On 1/27/2014 9:25 PM, John Thurston wrote:
> - snip -

Please notice that I am not top posting my new content :)

> This is not intended to be an 'out of five stars' review. ...
> There are no measurements offered.

I have measurements! (For a few items)

Inside the hood, I make an area approximately 150x60mm. It really is the
first viewer I can comfortably use with my reading glasses. This is so cool.

Weight: 998g. For comparison the 3D World focusing viewer is 395g. It
weighs more than twice as much, but it is solid in my hands. I don't
think it will be my choice for backpacking, but I don't usually pack an
illuminated viewer :)

Interocular: I make it 65mm, but I could be over by a mm. I can't find
my dial caliper and am making due with a swing-arm caliper transferring
to a metric scale.

Brightness: The Heydascope comes in at 12.5ev (ISO 100), measured at the
lens with my Sekonic 208. There is no discernible drop off across the
panel.

Getting 12.5ev in a battery powered viewer is pretty impressive. For
comparison, my 3D World illuminated viewer makes 10ev with my used
batteries, and 11.5ev with fresh Duracell Alkalines. The 3D World has
very a very noticeable drop off across the panel. My desktop viewer
(with an AC powered cold-cathode lamp) gives me 12ev on powerup. After
warming for 5mins, it gets up to 12.5ev with no discernible drop off.

Focus range: I measure about a 20mm travel in the lenses, and I focus
about in the middle of its range. The 3D World viewer has a range of
less than 18mm, and I'm focused about 2mm from the end of its range.

What else can I measure for y'all?

- snip -
> Before you ask, I'm not giving up my Heydascope. If you want one, you
> need to ask Larry to make on for you :)

I apologize to members of MF3D Folio-A. I still have the folio 'cause
I'm digging out image details with my Heydascope. The images looked good
before, but I wanna see 'am all again.
--
John Thurston
Juneau, Alaska
Subject: Re: Heydascope, first impressions
Date: 2014-01-30 12:41:02
From: Chuck Holzner
In going over this Group I don't seem to be able to find an important spec. on the Heydascope viewer; namely the Fl of the viewing lenses.
 
Chuck Holzner
 
Sent from my antique IBM ThinkPad.
 
Subject: Re: Heydascope, first impressions
Date: 2014-01-30 13:48:22
From: gornitai
Hi Chuck,

The lenses are 75mm.




---- Chuck Holzner <3D4me@firstva.com> wrote:
> In going over this Group I don't seem to be able to find an important spec. on the Heydascope viewer; namely the Fl of the viewing lenses.
>
> Chuck Holzner
>
> Sent from my antique IBM ThinkPad.
Subject: Re: Heydascope, first impressions
Date: 2014-01-30 13:53:04
From: bob@chairboy.com

Hi Chuck,

According to Larry's description, the lenses are 75mm AR coated achromats. See:

http://www.freewebs.com/larryeda/

best wishes,

Bob Venezia

 

In going over this Group I don't seem to be able to find an important spec. on the Heydascope viewer; namely the Fl of the viewing lenses.
 
Chuck Holzner
 

 
Subject: Re: Heydascope, first impressions
Date: 2014-01-30 14:35:41
From: JR
A very good report, John.   If I were to sum up what you said in one word, it would be "ergonomic".

Some interesting comments, especially regarding the fixed interocular.  Like John, I have never had any problems with any viewer with a fixed interocular; but likely the interpupillary distance of my eyes (63.5mm) falls within the range that works well with most fixed viewer lens spacings.   
That said, recalling the reviews of other viewers in the past, the comment that "it should have had an interocular adjustment" is very frequent regarding other viewers with a fixed interocular. Binocular and stereoscopic microscopes, for example, nearly always have an interocular adjustment.  Therefore, I would be curious as to an update from John on this point after he has had it long enough that several different people have looked into it, and their response.

JR


On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 10:25 PM, John Thurston <juneau3d@thurstons.us> wrote:
 

Sorry for dropping the first shoe last week and then falling silent. I
was heading out of town and had just stopped long enough to open the
mailing box and fondle my new viewer. I've now returned and can share
some more impressions.

This is not intended to be an 'out of five stars' review. This is not a
'thumbs-up/down' review. What is offered below are my observations of my
viewer. There are no measurements offered. They will probably come
later. This is a purely subjective commentary.

It is a very solid feeling viewer. Unlike the MFPV/3D-World STL viewer,
the Heydascope is dense. It has big lenses, and a lot of cast plastic.
It is very comfortable in my hands. The thumb switch falls easily to
hand after picking up the viewer. I'm not going to miss thrashing around
on the top of the viewer for a 'red button'

The focus lever is on the right side and also falls immediately to hand.
It seem perfectly natural to me (a right handed user) and it seemed to
present no problems to the south-paw in my family. There is an
inconsistent amount of back-lash in the mechanism. I have found my best
results come when treating it like a microscope and focusing 'on the
pull'. If I overshoot, I back it way down and 'pull' it again. Once
comfortable, I don't have any problem with it walking (or pushing) back
in. The focus seems a bit stiff to me. I'm considering opening the
viewer up and applying a little Nye damping grease to the slides, but am
afraid this might make it too slippery. I'm going to let it ride and see
how it wears in.

The viewer does not say Heydascope anywhere on it. This, I think, is an
oversight which should be corrected.

The fixed interocular is a blessing after dealing with the lens assembly
on the 3D-World lit viewer.

The light panel is positioned pretty far behind the slide. I don't think
dust on that surface is going to be a problem for me. It is possible to
get the lenses to almost focus on the panel, but it is way beyond where
I focus for the slide.

The slot handles my 80x140 slide mounts well. My protective sleeves push
the slide up a bit, putting the center of the slide a bit higher than
center. This is not a problem, and I notice it less than on the 3D World
lit viewer.

There is no center thumb-dimple for removing the slide. But, because of
the curve on the outer surfaces, the corners of the slide stand proud
and are easy to grab.

80x132 carboard mounts work just fine. They have more freedom to move in
the slot, but nothing a little shim won't fix.

The slot is much better built than either of the 3D World viewers which
always seem to have parts bowing or grabbing at my slides. Larry has put
a lot of time into this viewer.

The viewer hood is excellent. It makes for a much larger viewer than the
3D World models, but it really reduces distraction. Again, there is
plenty of space in there for glasses.

The lighting is bright and surprisingly even. Like the 3D World
illuminated viewer, the Heydascope uses an LED edge-lit panel. Unlike
the 3D World, the difference in light across the panel is very small.
I'm not prepared to offer a measurement of the difference, but I will
say is is _way_ better than the 3D World (which I found to be noticeable
but acceptable).

The power system driving the panel, however, is not up to the standard
of the rest of the viewer. The Heydascope relies on a simple
battery/switch to directly drive the LED panel. This is very inefficient
and doesn't allow the panel to be driven to its full potential. I have
communicated with Larry on this subject, and I'm not sure where he'll go
with this. What is here will work, but it is sub-optimal and I'm pretty
sure I'm going to try to improve this part of the system. If I do, and
if I succeed, I'll offer Larry (and anyone else) information on what I
change.

The lenses are big hunks of glass and I label them a success. I like
getting up close to them, but they are also the first viewer lenses I've
found to be usable with my reading glasses. They present very little
edge distortion and have good contrast.

Before you ask, I'm not giving up my Heydascope. If you want one, you
need to ask Larry to make on for you :)
--
John Thurston
Juneau Alaska
http://stereo.thurstons.us




--
stereoscope3d@gmail.com

Subject: Re: Heydascope, first impressions
Date: 2014-05-24 00:24:54
From: Don Lopp
Hi Bob:

After talking to 2 of my daughters, my first meeting Warren Calahan  was in about 1980.  I was only off by at least, 20 years.

The very best,

DON