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Subject: glue for TL120?
Date: 2014-02-25 05:28:41
From: vlagal57

I've got a TL120 which has developed the 'chip off the old block' problem by the door latch (lowest left corner at back of camera...)

I was wondering if anyone has tried crazy glue? or some other plastic adhesive to 'correct' this problem...? not sure if it's worth trying or just going back to the sputnik ... which is still going after 40 years ... hard to believe that russian communists can build more solid gear in the 1970's than Chinese communists in the 2000's...

open to any ideas...

Vlad

Subject: Re: glue for TL120?
Date: 2014-02-25 09:31:18
From: Timo Puhakka

I have done extensive repairs and upgrades to cameras using cyanoacrylate glue. Choose the thick black variety and from a quality maker, such as loc-tite (not dollar store stuff), and get a spray bottle of accelerator. I have found that the glue joint is often stronger than the original material. Make sure you mask or cover parts close to the repair (or far from the repair). Once this stuff gets on something, it is all but impossible to remove it again. Also be careful to join your parts precisely the first time. With some materials cyanoacrylates will bond instantly. this means you will have no chance to make adjustments after the parts are put together. Of course sometimes this doesn't happen, and that's why you need accelerator. I usually also wear latex gloves when using this stuff, since your fingers tend to get glued to your repair parts faster than to each other.

Timo

On 25-Feb-14, at 6:28 AM, <vlagal57@yahoo.com> <vlagal57@yahoo.com> wrote:

I've got a TL120 which has developed the 'chip off the old block' problem by the door latch (lowest left corner at back of camera...)

I was wondering if anyone has tried crazy glue? or some other plastic adhesive to 'correct' this problem...? not sure if it's worth trying or just going back to the sputnik ... which is still going after 40 years ... hard to believe that russian communists can build more solid gear in the 1970's than Chinese communists in the 2000's...

open to any ideas...

Vlad

Subject: Re: glue for TL120?
Date: 2014-02-25 11:16:26
From: John Thurston

On 2/25/2014 2:28 AM, vlagal57@yahoo.com wrote:

> I've got a TL120 which has developed the 'chip off the
> old block' problem by the door latch (lowest left corner
> at back of camera...)
>
> I was wondering if anyone has tried crazy glue? or some
> other plastic adhesive to 'correct' this problem...?

I haven't, but I suspect a good quality 'superglue' would do
the trick. The plastic feels to me like some form of ABS.
I'd be tempted to pull the back off and try a bit of
welding/melting solvent-based glue on the inside to see how
it reacts.

The skin comes off the camera pretty easily. The risk is
with the several screws which thread into plastic. See
http://stereo.thurstons.us/content/?page_id=304
for a tear-down.

> not sure if it's worth trying or just going back to the
> sputnik

I suspect the crack/missing piece isn't compromising the
exposure. Look at the pictures of the camera on the pages
referenced above.
http://stereo.thurstons.us/content/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/IMG_9907.jpg

The skin is cosmetic. The transport/exposure cambers are
independent. Unless the bod of the camera has been cracked,
I doubt the missing chunk will affect your images.

> ... which is still going after 40 years ... hard
> to believe that russian communists can build more solid
> gear in the 1970's than Chinese communists in the
> 2000's...

This feels like pretty slim evidence on which to base that
statement. Yes, a line can be drawn between any two points,
but it is imprudent to generalize from only two data points.

The Spunik is a simple camera which can be used to take good
pictures. The TL120 is a complicated camera which can be
used to take good pictures. They each have their own
strengths, but to claim solidity as one for the Sputnik
seems a stretch.

--
John Thurston
Juneau Alaska
http://stereo.thurstons.us

Subject: Re: glue for TL120?
Date: 2014-02-26 07:08:17
From: Vladimir Galkin

Thanks all, I'll have a look around a hobby store for some decent glue (JB Weld sounds good) and try it.

@ John; I was being a little facetious with the sputnik remark, but there's something to the simplicity of that camera that is endearing, I didn't even want to go into the fact that there's a Heidescop camera that's been functioning for over 80 years... I guess I was expecting a little more from a camera that cost $1500 than to start to crack and fall apart after less than 5 years.. - and let's not get into the whole battery thing!

I'll report back if I succeed or what happens,

thanks again for the info/advice

Vlad

On Tuesday, February 25, 2014 9:16 AM, John Thurston wrote:

On 2/25/2014 2:28 AM, vlagal57@yahoo.com wrote:
> I've got a TL120 which has developed the 'chip off the
> old block' problem by the door latch (lowest left corner
> at back of camera...)
>
> I was wondering if anyone has tried crazy glue? or some
> other plastic adhesive to 'correct' this problem...?

I haven't, but I suspect a good quality 'superglue' would do
the trick. The plastic feels to me like some form of ABS.
I'd be tempted to pull the back off and try a bit of
welding/melting solvent-based glue on the inside to see how
it reacts.

The skin comes off the camera pretty easily. The risk is
with the several screws which thread into plastic. See
http://stereo.thurstons.us/content/?page_id=304
for a tear-down.

> not sure if it's worth trying or just going back to the
> sputnik

I suspect the crack/missing piece isn't compromising the
exposure. Look at the pictures of the camera on the pages
referenced above.
http://stereo.thurstons.us/content/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/IMG_9907.jpg

The skin is cosmetic. The transport/exposure cambers are
independent. Unless the bod of the camera has been cracked,
I doubt the missing chunk will affect your images.

> ... which is still going after 40 years ... hard
> to believe that russian communists can build more solid
> gear in the 1970's than Chinese communists in the
> 2000's...

This feels like pretty slim evidence on which to base that
statement. Yes, a line can be drawn between any two points,
but it is imprudent to generalize from only two data points.

The Spunik is a simple camera which can be used to take good
pictures. The TL120 is a complicated camera which can be
used to take good pictures. They each have their own
strengths, but to claim solidity as one for the Sputnik
seems a stretch.

--
John Thurston
Juneau Alaska
http://stereo.thurstons.us

Subject: Re: glue for TL120?
Date: 2014-02-26 10:41:42
From: Jon Hoggatt

Speaking of Sputniks, does anybody out there work on Sputniks?

I have two in disrepair, I would like someone to take and make me one good one out of.

Thanks,

Jon Hoggatt

972-989-8103

On Tuesday, February 25, 2014 11:16 AM, John Thurston wrote:

On 2/25/2014 2:28 AM, vlagal57@yahoo.com wrote:
> I've got a TL120 which has developed the 'chip off the
> old block' problem by the door latch (lowest left corner
> at back of camera...)
>
> I was wondering if anyone has tried crazy glue? or some
> other plastic adhesive to 'correct' this problem...?

I haven't, but I suspect a good quality 'superglue' would do
the trick. The plastic feels to me like some form of ABS.
I'd be tempted to pull the back off and try a bit of
welding/melting solvent-based glue on the inside to see how
it reacts.

The skin comes off the camera pretty easily. The risk is
with the several screws which thread into plastic. See
http://stereo.thurstons.us/content/?page_id=304
for a tear-down.

> not sure if it's worth trying or just going back to the
> sputnik

I suspect the crack/missing piece isn't compromising the
exposure. Look at the pictures of the camera on the pages
referenced above.
http://stereo.thurstons.us/content/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/IMG_9907.jpg

The skin is cosmetic. The transport/exposure cambers are
independent. Unless the bod of the camera has been cracked,
I doubt the missing chunk will affect your images.

> ... which is still going after 40 years ... hard
> to believe that russian communists can build more solid
> gear in the 1970's than Chinese communists in the
> 2000's...

This feels like pretty slim evidence on which to base that
statement. Yes, a line can be drawn between any two points,
but it is imprudent to generalize from only two data points.

The Spunik is a simple camera which can be used to take good
pictures. The TL120 is a complicated camera which can be
used to take good pictures. They each have their own
strengths, but to claim solidity as one for the Sputnik
seems a stretch.

--
John Thurston
Juneau Alaska
http://stereo.thurstons.us

Subject: Re: glue for TL120?
Date: 2014-02-28 06:13:25
From: Vladimir Galkin

Jon;

What's wrong with the spuds? - they are pretty easy to work with, but in many cases once they go, they are gone... If the lenses are good everything else is just a question of cleaning/oiling - unless you've got light leaks, which might mean flocking the inside and taping the doors...

On Wednesday, February 26, 2014 8:41 AM, Jon Hoggatt wrote:

Speaking of Sputniks, does anybody out there work on Sputniks?

I have two in disrepair, I would like someone to take and make me one good one out of.

Thanks,

Jon Hoggatt

972-989-8103

On Tuesday, February 25, 2014 11:16 AM, John Thurston wrote:

On 2/25/2014 2:28 AM, vlagal57@yahoo.com wrote:
> I've got a TL120 which has developed the 'chip off the
> old block' problem by the door latch (lowest left corner
> at back of camera...)
>
> I was wondering if anyone has tried crazy glue? or some
> other plastic adhesive to 'correct' this problem...?

I haven't, but I suspect a good quality 'superglue' would do
the trick. The plastic feels to me like some form of ABS.
I'd be tempted to pull the back off and try a bit of
welding/melting solvent-based glue on the inside to see how
it reacts.

The skin comes off the camera pretty easily. The risk is
with the several screws which thread into plastic. See
http://stereo.thurstons.us/content/?page_id=304
for a tear-down.

> not sure if it's worth trying or just going back to the
> sputnik

I suspect the crack/missing piece isn't compromising the
exposure. Look at the pictures of the camera on the pages
referenced above.
http://stereo.thurstons.us/content/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/IMG_9907.jpg

The skin is cosmetic. The transport/exposure cambers are
independent. Unless the bod of the camera has been cracked,
I doubt the missing chunk will affect your images.

> ... which is still going after 40 years ... hard
> to believe that russian communists can build more solid
> gear in the 1970's than Chinese communists in the
> 2000's...

This feels like pretty slim evidence on which to base that
statement. Yes, a line can be drawn between any two points,
but it is imprudent to generalize from only two data points.

The Spunik is a simple camera which can be used to take good
pictures. The TL120 is a complicated camera which can be
used to take good pictures. They each have their own
strengths, but to claim solidity as one for the Sputnik
seems a stretch.

--
John Thurston
Juneau Alaska
http://stereo.thurstons.us

Subject: Re: glue for TL120?
Date: 2014-03-12 10:46:19
From: coronet3d

I had my Sputnik upgraded by Ted Baskin some years ago. He does excellent work. Does anyone have contact information for him. I have another camera I'd like for him to look at.

Thanks,

Steve Sawyer

Subject: Re: glue for TL120?
Date: 2014-03-12 11:11:17
From: Linda N

Ted is a member of this group. He is not signed up for emails currently but apparently does access the group online and has posted to the group as recently as January. I can send you his hotmail address offlist, although I cannot guarantee that he actually uses that address. -Linda

On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 11:46 AM, <coronet3d@yahoo.com> wrote:

I had my Sputnik upgraded by Ted Baskin some years ago. He does excellent work. Does anyone have contact information for him. I have another camera I'd like for him to look at.

Thanks,

Steve Sawyer