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Subject: Distance measurement tools
Date: 2015-03-20 15:49:03
From: John Thurston
I sometimes want to know where various things are in my
scene. It lets me consult my depth of field chart and choose
a focus point and aperture to meet my composition goals.
Being able to measure distances from behind the camera can
be very handy.

A number of years ago (six? seven?) I was excited to find
that Stanley was selling a laser "tape measure" for only
$100. The TLM 100 is good for .5-30m and weighs about 400g.
I can push its button, point it at something, push the
button again, and see how far away it is. I've liked having
it, but decide each time I load my pack if I want to carry
the weight.

I've just discovered that Bosch has the GLM 15. It sells for
about $50, and weighs only 90g! It offers fewer features
than the TLM 100 does, but since I only ever used one
function, it would meet the need. The GLM 15 is only good
out to 15m, but for normally-spaces lenses, anything more
distant than that is already at infinity.

I'm thinking I might need to try one of these puppies. My
per-image cost is now pushing $3, so it won't take very many
salvaged frames to reach a break-even point :)
--
John Thurston
Juneau Alaska
http://stereo.thurstons.us
Subject: Re: Distance measurement tools
Date: 2015-03-20 16:09:05
From: JR

That is a very good idea.  There are several different brands and models of electronic "tape measures" on the market now, and they vary according to sensitivity and accuracy.

Another thing that I do to keep from wasting expensive shots with MF, is to also carry a small digital camera.  That way, I first shoot a digital version, and switch over to MF only when I am satisfied with the composition and other photographic considerations.   Sort of like photographers used to do with Polaroids.  Only quicker and cheaper. If this is a stereo digital camera, I can also use it to judge the 3D parameters.

On Mar 20, 2015 2:49 PM, "John Thurston juneau3d@thurstons.us [MF3D-group]" <MF3D-group@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

I sometimes want to know where various things are in my
scene. It lets me consult my depth of field chart and choose
a focus point and aperture to meet my composition goals.
Being able to measure distances from behind the camera can
be very handy.

A number of years ago (six? seven?) I was excited to find
that Stanley was selling a laser "tape measure" for only
$100. The TLM 100 is good for .5-30m and weighs about 400g.
I can push its button, point it at something, push the
button again, and see how far away it is. I've liked having
it, but decide each time I load my pack if I want to carry
the weight.

I've just discovered that Bosch has the GLM 15. It sells for
about $50, and weighs only 90g! It offers fewer features
than the TLM 100 does, but since I only ever used one
function, it would meet the need. The GLM 15 is only good
out to 15m, but for normally-spaces lenses, anything more
distant than that is already at infinity.

I'm thinking I might need to try one of these puppies. My
per-image cost is now pushing $3, so it won't take very many
salvaged frames to reach a break-even point :)
--
John Thurston
Juneau Alaska
http://stereo.thurstons.us

Subject: Re: Distance measurement tools
Date: 2015-03-20 22:03:29
From: Timo Puhakka
On a similar note, I have sometimes used my cell phone as a light meter, using the Android light meter app, which lets me set different shutter speeds and apertures based on what the phone camera used. I searched for this app after repeatedly forgetting my light meter after changing camera bags.

Timo

On 20-Mar-15, at 6:09 PM, JR stereoscope3d@gmail.com [MF3D-group] wrote:

 

That is a very good idea.  There are several different brands and models of electronic "tape measures" on the market now, and they vary according to sensitivity and accuracy.

Another thing that I do to keep from wasting expensive shots with MF, is to also carry a small digital camera.  That way, I first shoot a digital version, and switch over to MF only when I am satisfied with the composition and other photographic considerations.   Sort of like photographers used to do with Polaroids.  Only quicker and cheaper. If this is a stereo digital camera, I can also use it to judge the 3D parameters.

On Mar 20, 2015 2:49 PM, "John Thurston juneau3d@thurstons.us [MF3D-group]" <MF3D-group@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

I sometimes want to know where various things are in my
scene. It lets me consult my depth of field chart and choose
a focus point and aperture to meet my composition goals.
Being able to measure distances from behind the camera can
be very handy.

A number of years ago (six? seven?) I was excited to find
that Stanley was selling a laser "tape measure" for only
$100. The TLM 100 is good for .5-30m and weighs about 400g.
I can push its button, point it at something, push the
button again, and see how far away it is. I've liked having
it, but decide each time I load my pack if I want to carry
the weight.

I've just discovered that Bosch has the GLM 15. It sells for
about $50, and weighs only 90g! It offers fewer features
than the TLM 100 does, but since I only ever used one
function, it would meet the need. The GLM 15 is only good
out to 15m, but for normally-spaces lenses, anything more
distant than that is already at infinity.

I'm thinking I might need to try one of these puppies. My
per-image cost is now pushing $3, so it won't take very many
salvaged frames to reach a break-even point :)
--
John Thurston
Juneau Alaska
http://stereo.thurstons.us



Subject: Re: Distance measurement tools
Date: 2015-03-21 04:07:25
From: Steven Lederman
I still use one of those calibrated rangefinder devices in the accessory shoe on my folder to judge distances. Sometimes I pace out a rough distance measurement, which provides me with some exercise!
-Steven
Subject: Re: Distance measurement tools
Date: 2015-03-23 13:30:39
From: John Thurston
On 3/20/2015 2:09 PM, JR stereoscope3d@gmail.com
[MF3D-group] wrote:
- snip -
> Another thing that I do to keep from wasting expensive shots with MF, is to
> also carry a small digital camera. That way, I first shoot a digital
> version, and switch over to MF only when I am satisfied with the
> composition and other photographic considerations. Sort of like
> photographers used to do with Polaroids. Only quicker and cheaper. If this
> is a stereo digital camera, I can also use it to judge the 3D parameters.

I've tried this and have varying success. Viewing the image
on the back of the camera is sometimes awkward. My
light-weight cameras have small screens. My 7D has large
enough screen with a nice histogram, but is heavy (even when
coupled with a plastic lens).

Just last week I started thinking about this idea again. I
wonder if an EOS M (mirrorless APS-C) could be a good
choice. It has a hotshoe so I could prototype fill-flash. It
has a pretty large screen but weighs a lot less than my 7D.
There is an upcoming replacement model for the M so maybe
this model will appear on the used market at a reasonable
price. The biggest complaint about it has been its very slow
auto-focus speed. This isn't a concern for me as a "digital
Polaroid". Medium format is already slow!

Has anyone used an EOS M for this role?

Does anyone want to drop the name of their favorite "digital
Polaroid"?

--
John Thurston
Juneau Alaska
http://stereo.thurstons.us
Subject: Re: Distance measurement tools
Date: 2015-03-23 14:41:51
From: JR
I mainly use my HTC EVO3D cellphone for this purpose.  The 4-1/4 inch screen is fine for this use (composition and general stereoscopic proportions).  If I want a wider stereo base, I use the Fuji W3.   For other stereo bases, like for hyper or hypo stereo, I can interchange it on the same stereo bar that I use for MF.   That way I can shoot several different stereo bases in digital, and then pick the best one for the MF shot (by shifting from one half of the digital screen to the other sequentially, and then scrolling on the screen, you can freeview it).   

If I am shooting exteriors, I use a Hoodman sunshade over the screen (attaches with Velcro (R) straps).  

You could also make one yourself out of cardboard or sheet plastic (1/16 inch black ABS lined with black velvet works great).   


On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 12:30 PM, John Thurston juneau3d@thurstons.us [MF3D-group] <MF3D-group@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

On 3/20/2015 2:09 PM, JR stereoscope3d@gmail.com
[MF3D-group] wrote:
- snip -
> Another thing that I do to keep from wasting expensive shots with MF, is to
> also carry a small digital camera. That way, I first shoot a digital
> version, and switch over to MF only when I am satisfied with the
> composition and other photographic considerations. Sort of like
> photographers used to do with Polaroids. Only quicker and cheaper. If this
> is a stereo digital camera, I can also use it to judge the 3D parameters.

I've tried this and have varying success. Viewing the image
on the back of the camera is sometimes awkward. My
light-weight cameras have small screens. My 7D has large
enough screen with a nice histogram, but is heavy (even when
coupled with a plastic lens).

Just last week I started thinking about this idea again. I
wonder if an EOS M (mirrorless APS-C) could be a good
choice. It has a hotshoe so I could prototype fill-flash. It
has a pretty large screen but weighs a lot less than my 7D.
There is an upcoming replacement model for the M so maybe
this model will appear on the used market at a reasonable
price. The biggest complaint about it has been its very slow
auto-focus speed. This isn't a concern for me as a "digital
Polaroid". Medium format is already slow!

Has anyone used an EOS M for this role?

Does anyone want to drop the name of their favorite "digital
Polaroid"?

--
John Thurston
Juneau Alaska
http://stereo.thurstons.us