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Subject: Hordetta 3D stereo camera
Date: 2016-08-24 16:18:03
From: iandvaag

Does anyone know anything about the Hordetta 3D stereo camera? One popped up in my eBay notifications for "medium format 3D" and I've never heard of it before. It doesn't look super professional, but it is "made in Germany", so I guess it might have something going for it. It folds like a Land camera and has a red window for frame advance. I can't see anywhere in the photos if any adjustments to shutter speed or aperture are possible.

Thanks,
Ian Andvaag

Subject: Re: Hordetta 3D stereo camera
Date: 2016-08-25 01:41:52
From: depthcam

> Does anyone know anything about the Hordetta 3D stereo camera? One popped up in my eBay notifications for "medium format 3D" and I've never heard of it before.

It's actually a "Nordetta" - a cheapo early fifties camera. Apparently 75mm f4.5 lenses. Not clear if this was full 120 or 127... even though they claim "120" in the description. But then they also call it a "Sputnik" ! ;-)

Francois

Subject: Re: Hordetta 3D stereo camera
Date: 2016-08-25 07:37:34
From: Steven Lederman

> Does anyone know anything about the Hordetta 3D stereo camera? One popped up http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=262591105478&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:CA:3160 in my eBay notifications for "medium format 3D" and I've never >heard of it before.

>It's actually a "Nordetta" ; - a cheapo early fifties camera. Apparently 75mm f4.5 lenses. Not clear if this was full 120 or 127... even though they claim "120" in the description. But then they also call it a "Sputnik" ! ;-)

>Francois

Hi, Ian - Nordetta is a bakelite bodied camera that takes 127 film. Always ask Sellers for spool measurements - there was a guy who was selling a Baby Rolleidoscop (127 film) on eBay as the 120 version - he won't change the description even though I've let him know. Another way to tell the Baby Rolleidoscops is that they have 55mm lenses as opposed to 75mm. Someone's going to be upset if they buy that camera thinking it's 120!

Steven
gongadin@rogers.com

Subject: Re: Hordetta 3D stereo camera
Date: 2016-08-25 07:38:35
From: steve.bremer@yahoo.com

According to the manual it will produce 4 stereo pairs on 127 film.

Steve b Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 2:41 AM, depthcam@yahoo.ca [MF3D-group]
wrote:

> Does anyone know anything about the Hordetta 3D stereo camera? One popped up in my eBay notifications for "medium format 3D" and I've never heard of it before.

It's actually a "Nordetta" - a cheapo early fifties camera. Apparently 75mm f4.5 lenses. Not clear if this was full 120 or 127... even though they claim "120" in the description. But then they also call it a "Sputnik" ! ;-)

Francois

Subject: Re: Hordetta 3D stereo camera
Date: 2016-08-25 09:02:56
From: Vladimir Galkin

According to Werner Weiser's 1998 book of 3D Film cameras this 'Noretta 3-D', produces 40mmx60mm images with a single element 80mm lens, a lens separation of 60mm, shutter is locked at 1/30th, f-stop is locked at f11, so no adjustments are possible

hope that helps

Vlad

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Subject: Re: Hordetta 3D stereo camera
Date: 2016-08-25 13:30:28
From: roderickdsage

Vredeborch Nordetta 127. Cheap but rare.

Subject: Re: Hordetta 3D stereo camera
Date: 2016-09-07 19:45:43
From: coronet3d

127 E6 film is back in production for the time being. The guy who sells ReraPan on eBay (and on Frugal Photographer) is spooling it in Japan. There's talk about Ferrania making 127 film also, once they get up and running. Having said that, for 127 stereo what you want is the Baby Rolleidoscop or the 127 sized Voigtlander Stereflektoskop (with a 127 rollfilm back). The Nordetta, Stereo Hit and Coronet 3d are all very limited and only really good for the Holga crowd, IMO. I would also avoid the very rare 127 Verascopes. They are flare monsters, much like the F40 model.

Steve

Subject: Re: Hordetta 3D stereo camera
Date: 2016-09-07 22:28:44
From: JR

The Verascope F40 did not have any flare. It did have reflective side walls in the inner chamber that could result in reflections, not flare. But, coating those with matte black solved the problem. Since 127 size film is 35mm without the perforations (it uses a paper backing to drive it) any 35mm film manufacturer could make it by eliminating the perforator. I had a Verascope F40 and machined the side walls so that they could not reflect back to the film. Never had any flare with it.

John A. Rupkalvis

stereoscope3d@gmail.com

On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 6:45 PM, coronet3d@yahoo.com [MF3D-group] <MF3D-group@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

127 E6 film is back in production for the time being. The guy who sells ReraPan on eBay (and on Frugal Photographer) is spooling it in Japan. There's talk about Ferrania making 127 film also, once they get up and running. Having said that, for 127 stereo what you want is the Baby Rolleidoscop or the 127 sized Voigtlander Stereflektoskop (with a 127 rollfilm back). The Nordetta, Stereo Hit and Coronet 3d are all very limited and only really good for the Holga crowd, IMO. I would also avoid the very rare 127 Verascopes. They are flare monsters, much like the F40 model.
Steve

Subject: Re: Hordetta 3D stereo camera
Date: 2016-09-07 22:49:12
From: iandvaag

Thanks to all for the information on the Nordetta.

John, I'm pretty sure that you are thinking of 828, which is 35mm tall, the same as 135 format, but with no sprocket holes and with backing paper. 127 on the other hand is 46mm tall placing it intermediate in size to 35mm and 120. I'm reasonably sure that 127 film "produced" nowadays is simply cut down from 120 film by third party "manufacturers" and rolled onto 127 spools.

It would be nice if Ferrania breathed life into the 127 film format. There are a good number of Stereoflektoskops and Rolleidoscopes/Heidoscopes available on eBay for much less than the 120 versions. Of course there is the problem of what mounts to use, but I suppose that may be a surmountable problem :)

Subject: Re: Hordetta 3D stereo camera
Date: 2016-09-08 07:35:30
From: coronet3d

You're right that the F40 didn't have any "flare" per se, but it sure looks like flare and lens shade do help. I understand that internal reflections are the crux of the problem. The 45x107 Verascopes, of which very few have 127 backs, have similar "flare". Don Lopp flocked one of mine and the "flare" was still there. I have a hybrid where a Verascope lensboard was placed onto a 127 sized Ernamann folding stereo body and that doesn't have the same "flare", so I assume it's a problem with the Verascope body. 126 film (i.e. Instamatic) is the same size as 828 film (and 35mm but without the sprocket holes). 127 film is 46mm film spooled onto tight little spools. AFAIK, there hasn't been slide film made for 126 in a long time. 127 has been in continuous production for B&W film (e.g. Efke, Rerapan, etc.) but for E6, only recently has a product become available. Many die-hards buy kits to cut 120 sized film down to 127.

Steve

Subject: Re: Hordetta 3D stereo camera
Date: 2016-09-08 12:41:48
From: coronet3d

I just had two 127 rolls (non-stereo taken with a VP Exakta and a Sawyer's Mark IV) processed of the new "Rera" product from Japan. I haven't mounted and projected them yet, but they have a very warm tone and do not look like Provia. My guess is that they're sourcing the film from Europe, what's left of Agfa perhaps. It doesn't look like it was chopped down from 120, as what "Film for Classics" used to sell through B&H. The old Macochrome, I was told was made by Agfa before the bankruptcy.

Steve

Subject: Re: Hordetta 3D stereo camera
Date: 2016-09-09 14:29:57
From: roderickdsage

And remember that a number of cameras which took 127 film had a 6x45 format which would certainly make them medium format. I seem to have some glass stereo slides somewhere that are double 645 or 456.

Rod