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Subject: Mounting gauge
Date: 2018-07-27 22:04:41
From: flash3b
Can anyone tell me where I might find a mounting gauge to help me align the left & right views in an 80 x 132 mm mount?  I have a lightbox to work on, although it might be nice to also get a mounting jig that could hold the gauge, the mount & some viewing lenses.  (I though about making a jig for Realist-format mounting years ago, but never actually tried it.)

--Paul Gillis


Subject: Re: Mounting gauge
Date: 2018-07-28 08:23:30
From: coronet3d
3dstereo.com sells a Realist gauge but that's not that helpful for MF.  I'm surprised no one is selling one for MF.  Any ideas?
Steve
Subject: Sv: [MF3D-group] Re: Mounting gauge
Date: 2018-07-28 08:43:57
From: Jesper BE
I'm also in the market for an MF mounting gauge or ideas on how to create one.

I only have the Realist one for 35 mm, but that is too short to cover both MF apertures and only covers about 80 % or so. It's better than nothing, but makes mounting unnecessary challenging.

I do have two realist gauges, but it's difficult taping them down in perfect alignment. So I'd rather take the long route and be 100 % sure the gauge itself is 100 % aligned within itself.

So yes, any tips or advice are welcomed. :)



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Den lördag, juli 28, 2018, 16:23, skrev coronet3d@yahoo.com [MF3D-group] :

 

3dstereo.com sells a Realist gauge but that's not that helpful for MF.  I'm surprised no one is selling one for MF.  Any ideas?

Steve
Subject: Re: Mounting gauge
Date: 2018-07-28 13:29:09
From: Brian Reynolds
Attachments :
Paul Gillis wrote:
>
> Can anyone tell me where I might find a mounting gauge to help me
> align the left & right views in an 80 x 132 mm mount? I have a
> lightbox to work on, although it might be nice to also get a
> mounting jig that could hold the gauge, the mount & some viewing
> lenses. (I though about making a jig for Realist-format mounting
> years ago, but never actually tried it.)

I've attached a PostScript file with the MF3D mounting gauge I wrote
and use. I printed it on overhead transparency sheet and cut it to
smaller sections for my little light tablet.

You can send it to any PostScript printer. If you're on a Mac, you
could open it with Preview.app (which will automatically convert it to
PDF) and then print it.

If you open it in a text viewer you can see how it works. By changing
how the lines variable is calculated you can fiddle with the number of
horizontal lines on the gauge. If you change anything be sure to save
as an ASCII text file.

--
Brian Reynolds | "It's just like flying a spaceship.
reynolds@panix.com | You push some buttons and see
https://www.panix.com/~reynolds/ | what happens." -- Zapp Brannigan
NAR# 54438 |
Subject: Re: Mounting gauge [1 Attachment]
Date: 2018-07-28 15:36:16
From: Brian Reynolds
I wrote:
>
> I've attached a PostScript file with the MF3D mounting gauge

For those who don't want to deal with dealing with Yahoogroups to get
the gauge here it is. Save it to an ASCII (plain text) file, and
using a text editor remove everything before and after the "-----cut
here-----" lines, and save as an ASCII file.

--
Brian Reynolds | "It's just like flying a spaceship.
reynolds@panix.com | You push some buttons and see
https://www.panix.com/~reynolds/ | what happens." -- Zapp Brannigan
NAR# 54438 |

-----cut here-----
%!

72 dup scale % set scale to inches

/mm { 25.4 div } def % convert mm to inches

0 setlinewidth

/width 8.5 def % paper dimensions
/height 11 def
/margin .25 def

% stereo dimensions
/leftref 2 def % left frame reference line
/topref height margin 2 mul sub def % height of guide
/gap { 2 mm } def % gap between horizontal lines
/lines { topref gap div } def % # lines, based on previous two variables
/window { 62 mm } def % distance from leftref for window
/maofd { 2.7 mm } def % maxium allowable on film deviation

/hline { width margin 2 mul sub 0 rlineto } def

newpath

% draw the horizontal reference lines
0 1 lines { %for
gap mul margin add margin exch moveto
hline } for

% draw the vertical reference lines
margin leftref add margin moveto
0 topref rlineto
stroke
margin leftref add window add margin moveto
0 topref rlineto
stroke
margin leftref add window add maofd add margin moveto
0 topref rlineto
stroke

showpage
-----cut here-----
Subject: Re: Mounting gauge
Date: 2018-07-28 16:36:41
From: John Thurston
Attachments :
    On 7/27/2018 8:04 PM, pgillis@cox.net [MF3D-group] wrote:
    > Can anyone tell me where I might find a mounting gauge to
    > help me align the left & right views in an 80 x 132 mm
    > mount?

    If you are after a traditional mounting gauge with tick marks
    for aligning near and far points, look at the postscript file
    Brian Reynolds posted. For a non-traditional 'to the window'
    mounting 'gauge' read on.

    I prefer mounting 'to the window' rather than 'to infinity'.
    Anyone may re-open the discussion/argument of the merits of
    either method. I'm ready to listen, and open to change, but
    'to the window' is how I've been mounting slides for years.
    My difficulty was _seeing_ the window...we all have our
    challenges.

    A long time ago, Paul Talbot produced a cool little
    transparency. It contained a modified hexagonal pattern
    which, when seen in a viewer, fused at the stereo window. The
    idea is to slip this sheet under your mount and film while
    mounting and simultaneously viewing the image. The pattern
    grabs your eye and creates a 'window screen' through which
    you view your image. It then becomes extremely easy to place
    items in space by sliding your film chips left or right.

    I took Paul's creation and made some additions to it. I then
    printed it with my laser printer on transparency. I have one
    taped to my little light panel under the viewing lenses I use
    for mounting.

    If you'd like to print your own (or just see what it looks
    like), find my attachment (or email me off-list). Print this
    at 1200dpi on transparency on your laser printer. I do not
    expect an ink-jet to give you adequate precision, but feel
    free to try and let us know what you learn.

    *The important bit* is the vertical bars in the left and
    right halves of the 'screen' must be spaced _exactly_ the
    same as the apertures in your mount. Check this after you
    print it and before you use it! And check all three 'screens'
    on the page. They are in both landscape and portrait to
    efficiently use transparency stock. Your printer will have
    different characteristics in each direction. In most cases,
    distances across the page are done at the precision of the
    laser, while distances down the page are also affected by the
    precision of the paper advance. My older laser printer is off
    0.5mm in one direction. I do my precision printing on my
    newer printer. Don't use this until you have confirmed the
    distances match your mounts. (Hint: 62mm is our standard
    aperture spacing. You should have a good reason to use
    something else.)

    I'm happy to send three 'window screens' (one page worth) to
    anyone in the world. Send me OFF LIST your mailing address,
    and I will print and stuff an envelope for you. I'll even pay
    the postage with the expectation you'll do the same for
    someone else someday. This offer is open to anyone, even if
    you got one from me years ago.

    --
    John Thurston
    Juneau, Alaska
    Subject: Sv: Re: [MF3D-group] Mounting gauge [1 Attachment]
    Date: 2018-07-28 22:59:34
    From: Jesper BE
    Hi John,

    Can you help me understand the difference of stereo cards mounted to infinity vs to the window (when viewing)?

    All the best,
    Jesper


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    Den söndag, juli 29, 2018, 00:36, skrev John Thurston juneau3d@thurstons.us [MF3D-group] :

     
    [Attachment(s) from John Thurston included below]

    On 7/27/2018 8:04 PM, pgillis@cox.net [MF3D-group] wrote:
    > Can anyone tell me where I might find a mounting gauge to
    > help me align the left & right views in an 80 x 132 mm
    > mount?

    If you are after a traditional mounting gauge with tick marks
    for aligning near and far points, look at the postscript file
    Brian Reynolds posted. For a non-traditional 'to the window'
    mounting 'gauge' read on.

    I prefer mounting 'to the window' rather than 'to infinity'.
    Anyone may re-open the discussion/argument of the merits of
    either method. I'm ready to listen, and open to change, but
    'to the window' is how I've been mounting slides for years.
    My difficulty was _seeing_ the window...we all have our
    challenges.

    A long time ago, Paul Talbot produced a cool little
    transparency. It contained a modified hexagonal pattern
    which, when seen in a viewer, fused at the stereo window. The
    idea is to slip this sheet under your mount and film while
    mounting and simultaneously viewing the image. The pattern
    grabs your eye and creates a 'window screen' through which
    you view your image. It then becomes extremely easy to place
    items in space by sliding your film chips left or right.

    I took Paul's creation and made some additions to it. I then
    printed it with my laser printer on transparency. I have one
    taped to my little light panel under the viewing lenses I use
    for mounting.

    If you'd like to print your own (or just see what it looks
    like), find my attachment (or email me off-list). Print this
    at 1200dpi on transparency on your laser printer. I do not
    expect an ink-jet to give you adequate precision, but feel
    free to try and let us know what you learn.

    *The important bit* is the vertical bars in the left and
    right halves of the 'screen' must be spaced _exactly_ the
    same as the apertures in your mount. Check this after you
    print it and before you use it! And check all three 'screens'
    on the page. They are in both landscape and portrait to
    efficiently use transparency stock. Your printer will have
    different characteristics in each direction. In most cases,
    distances across the page are done at the precision of the
    laser, while distances down the page are also affected by the
    precision of the paper advance. My older laser printer is off
    0.5mm in one direction. I do my precision printing on my
    newer printer. Don't use this until you have confirmed the
    distances match your mounts. (Hint: 62mm is our standard
    aperture spacing. You should have a good reason to use
    something else.)

    I'm happy to send three 'window screens' (one page worth) to
    anyone in the world. Send me OFF LIST your mailing address,
    and I will print and stuff an envelope for you. I'll even pay
    the postage with the expectation you'll do the same for
    someone else someday. This offer is open to anyone, even if
    you got one from me years ago.

    --
    John Thurston
    Juneau, Alaska

    Subject: Re: Mounting gauge [1 Attachment]
    Date: 2018-08-05 12:01:46
    From: John Thurston
    On 7/28/2018 2:36 PM, John Thurston juneau3d@thurstons.us
    [MF3D-group] wrote:
    > On 7/27/2018 8:04 PM, pgillis@cox.net [MF3D-group] wrote:
    >> Can anyone tell me where I might find a mounting gauge to
    >> help me align the left & right views in an 80 x 132 mm
    >> mount?
    >
    > If you are after a traditional mounting gauge with tick marks
    > for aligning near and far points, look at the postscript file
    > Brian Reynolds posted. For a non-traditional 'to the window'
    > mounting 'gauge' read on.
    - snip -
    > I'm happy to send three 'window screens' (one page worth) to
    > anyone in the world. Send me OFF LIST your mailing address,
    > and I will print and stuff an envelope for you. I'll even pay
    > the postage with the expectation you'll do the same for
    > someone else someday. This offer is open to anyone, even if
    > you got one from me years ago.


    These will go out in the mail tomorrow. If you missed out,
    drop me a note off-list and I'll make another set of
    envelopes next weekend.


    --
    John Thurston
    Juneau, Alaska